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Skilled jobs are not paying enough premium so people are not bothering to get any skills.
Just get a minimum wage job and there you go!
You can't solve this issue without a real, organic wage growth.
My wife's company struggles to get and keep electrical engineers and managing engineers. We have a friend at a different company on the same boat that hires foreigners as much as they can.
The pay for these jobs easily offset the expense of college.
My wife's company struggles to get and keep electrical engineers and managing engineers. We have a friend at a different company on the same boat that hires foreigners as much as they can.
The pay for these jobs easily offset the expense of college.
They obviously need to pay more to attract talent.
People are not interested in low wages that they can't cover their basics.
Employers need to give US workers skills...BOOM! problem solved!
There are good paying jobs, but they require a high aptitude in math, mechanical, and science. Each position require at very least a two hour exam, some employees test for five hours. No amount of training will help you to pass the exams. These jobs pay well, but have long hours, 7 day straight work schedule twice out of 7 week rotation. You are on call in case of emergency. The problem is there aren't enough qualified applicants. There are always a shortage of people to take the aptitude test, in fact companies test year around. The majority of these positions require at least two years of college while some require a technical or engineering degree, preference for engineering degrees. Salary ranges from 50k to mid 70's, these are entry positions. Apparently, some of these positions reach the 6 figure range with experience. It makes sense if you start off in the 70's range, but the work schedule and hours make retention difficult. Retention is a problem. Did I forget you work some days 12, 10, and 8 hour shifts and day or night shift. Some positions are rotation shift others are fixed, depends on the company. These positions require a few months of training to over a year of training provided by the company. These jobs can't be outsource and require a clean criminal and driving record. There are extensive background and security checks, you can't lie on your application.
There are such jobs that provide training, but the majority of the population lack the aptitude in math at a level required by these employees. Depending on the job, you will be required to pass a government exam to acquire your license a few months after or years later. There are some positions that you need your license to advance in the pay grade or to keep your job, which was a contingent for continual employment. Technically, these jobs only require a high school degree, but employees now ask for a degree, several years of experience, or previous formal training. The training is expensive and employee do not want to gamble on a non engineering degree or experience applicant. There is little competition for these jobs. In a group of testers about 50-70 percent will fail the exam. The majority of applicants fail the first time and are encourage to reapply in future. Usually companies put a limit like you can only take the exam once every 3 months to 6 months, depending on the company. However, there are positions you can only take the exam once a year. Basically, companies test and when a position becomes available they go through testers that passed the test, then check the resumes and start interviewing. Companies even fly you out to test, they provide hotel, plane ticket, and rental car, it's nice.
There are jobs that provide training, but the majority of the population lack the aptitude.
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There are good paying jobs, but they require a high aptitude in math, mechanical, and science. Each position require at very least a two hour exam, some employees test for five hours. No amount of training will help you to pass the exams. These jobs pay well, but have long hours, 7 day straight work schedule twice out of 7 week rotation. You are on call in case of emergency. The problem is there aren't enough qualified applicants. There are always a shortage of people to take the aptitude test, in fact companies test year around. The majority of these positions require at least two years of college while some require a technical or engineering degree, preference for engineering degrees. Salary ranges from 50k to mid 70's, these are entry positions. Apparently, some of these positions reach the 6 figure range with experience. It makes sense if you start off in the 70's range, but the work schedule and hours make retention difficult. Retention is a problem. Did I forget you work some days 12, 10, and 8 hour shifts and day or night shift. Some positions are rotation shift others are fixed, depends on the company. These positions require a few months of training to over a year of training provided by the company. These jobs can't be outsource and require a clean criminal and driving record. There are extensive background and security checks, you can't lie on your application.
There are such jobs that provide training, but the majority of the population lack the aptitude in math at a level required by these employees. Depending on the job, you will be required to pass a government exam to acquire your license a few months after or years later. There are some positions that you need your license to advance in the pay grade or to keep your job, which was a contingent for continual employment. Technically, these jobs only require a high school degree, but employees now ask for a degree, several years of experience, or previous formal training. The training is expensive and employee do not want to gamble on a non engineering degree or experience applicant. There is little competition for these jobs. In a group of testers about 50-70 percent will fail the exam. The majority of applicants fail the first time and are encourage to reapply in future. Usually companies put a limit like you can only take the exam once every 3 months to 6 months, depending on the company. However, there are positions you can only take the exam once a year. Basically, companies test and when a position becomes available they go through testers that passed the test, then check the resumes and start interviewing. Companies even fly you out to test, they provide hotel, plane ticket, and rental car, it's nice.
There are jobs that provide training, but the majority of the population lack the aptitude.
Ok, so a hefty bit of overtime for a 50-70K/yr job. And you heard a rumor that some were making 100K.
Maybe it's time to start offering 60-80k/yr. And if that doesn't work, you might have to pay even more, or reconsider the plan of trying to employ engineers. Let the gifted people move on to more lucrative assignments that need completion. There is no shortage in this world for gifted and talented people.
Personally, I don't think 50K/year is anything to brag about at all, and I am not that highly educated.
As an employer in the past, I can tell that we trained hundreds of workers. Why, because the skill set necessary wasn't always available on the open market (even if they went to college). That said, in my opinion, there is a significant differential between minimum wage jobs and technical jobs in engineering fields. $8/hr vrs $40/$50 per hour. I would think that should be plenty of incentive. Fact is, a lot of people are just plain lazy and not willing to put in the effort-or they go to college, get a crap degree (and most of them are) and then complain they can't make any money.
Ok, so a hefty bit of overtime for a 50-70K/yr job. And you heard a rumor that some were making 100K.
Maybe it's time to start offering 60-80k/yr. And if that doesn't work, you might have to pay even more, or reconsider the plan of trying to employ engineers. Let the gifted people move on to more lucrative assignments that need completion. There is no shortage in this world for gifted and talented people.
Personally, I don't think 50K/year is anything to brag about at all, and I am not that highly educated.
Excellent post.
You lay it out very clearly. You are not very educated and think a starting Salary of $50,000 is just not enough. You also dont think there is any reason to limit Engineering Jobs to Engineers. Ask a person if they are "gifted & talented" -- with zero other qualifications, and that should be good enough - as long as they don't try to give you a paltry $50,000 a year to start. That's the sort of thing kiddos are learning in school these days.
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