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Old 02-17-2008, 02:09 PM
 
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Hmm.. . okay. but what happens to the diabetic or the cancer patient that goes through the $5K pretty quickly.. would they then have to pay for everything out of pocket.. and how would they do that ?
A cancer patient can go to a public hospital, plus since cancer is not over a lifetime, a lot of their costs might be covered by rolled-over monies.

As for diabetes, not sure. But if you don't think health care rationing would occur in a government system, you're seriously wrong.
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Old 02-17-2008, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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A cancer patient can go to a public hospital, plus since cancer is not over a lifetime, a lot of their costs might be covered by rolled-over monies.

As for diabetes, not sure. But if you don't think health care rationing would occur in a government system, you're seriously wrong.

I'm not sure what you mean by rationing..

Im' one that would support a ssytem similar to that in France and UK. One in which we all have UNIVERSAL coverage (which covers anything and everything) funded out of our tax dollars.. and for those that want "extra" insurance (like for elective surgeries or to pay for private rooms in hospitals etc.) then they can go ahead and get private insurance.

I've had this discussion so many times on another thread, I can't really get into it here.. but it's called "Fear of Universal Healthcare Thread" that talks about the British system in particular.. started by a Brit.
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Old 02-17-2008, 02:33 PM
 
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I'm not sure what you mean by rationing..

Im' one that would support a ssytem similar to that in France and UK. One in which we all have UNIVERSAL coverage (which covers anything and everything) funded out of our tax dollars.. and for those that want "extra" insurance (like for elective surgeries or to pay for private rooms in hospitals etc.) then they can go ahead and get private insurance.

I've had this discussion so many times on another thread, I can't really get into it here.. but it's called "Fear of Universal Healthcare Thread" that talks about the British system in particular.. started by a Brit.
Universal healthcare is rationed healthcare by definition.
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Old 02-17-2008, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Universal healthcare is rationed healthcare by definition.
NO it is not.. you dont' get a "voucher' that limits you to one or two visits. AT ALL!! To me rationaing means you only get one or two loaves of bread etc. And to say that it is rationed is absurd.

UHI means that if you get sick. you go to the Dr. and you are covered.

You get cancer, you need treatment, you are covered.

means if you get hurt and loose a finger.. it won't cost you 10K to attatch said finger etc. Your finger will be fixed.

it means if you happen to need heart medication you don't have to go to the poor house to afford it. it's covered (maybe a small copay)

Oh.. and it's NOT FREE because the taxes you paid out of your paycheck went into the pot..
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Old 02-17-2008, 03:39 PM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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Good post!

It makes you wonder why Federal government wants to make things so complicated.

They could complicate 'intercourse' with their train of thought.
Maybe because it was the federal government that relaxed the regulations on the insurance companies and allowed them to start defrauding their policyholders in the first place.
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Old 02-17-2008, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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GreatDay ..you confuse me..on one hand you talk about insurance being able to cross state lines as one of the reasons healthcare costs are high.. yet now you talk about each state mandate their own healthcare (or I should say health insurance) regulation.. so which is it?
Personally - I would love to take the health insurance issue out of the Federal Governments hands and put it with each state.

Let each state provide for their citizens.

That to me is the optimum.

Absent that happening, then, change the laws to allow insurance to be sold across state lines.

Read the 10th.
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Old 02-17-2008, 06:04 PM
 
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^ yes then states with great healthcare benefits will see a huge influx of those seeking care and an exodus of those with crappy care. This isn't a political issue about state's rights it's about providing equal healthcare throughout the nation.
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Old 02-17-2008, 07:21 PM
 
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The problem with our health care system is not that it doesn't work. The problem is that it works too well. It is very good...such that people with diseases that would have killed them long time ago continue to survive. Americans are living longer. This is a good thing...but it brings with it a new set of issues. Our expectations of what a good health care system ought to be has changed. It is no longer enough to control your diabetes and prevent kidney failure. We must also be able to treat the erectile dysfunction that comes with diabetes so that guys can continue having and enjoying sex well up to their 90s.
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