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Old 07-05-2016, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Why is access to abortion more important than access to an MD or surgeon at all?

They have much lower medical and facilities standards, and you know it. SCOTUS should do the same with MDs/surgeons. Strike down high state licensing standards and only allow much lower state MD and surgeon licensing standards to ensure access to MDs and surgeons.

That should make complete sense to you because that's EXACTLY what SCOTUS just did, but to women only.
They are separate issues. No one is saying one is more important than the other except you.

It's like someone saying that we should not try to reduce traffic fatalities because people drown, too.

Your arguments are pitiful.
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Old 07-05-2016, 02:31 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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They are separate issues.
There's no reason whatsoever to force lower medical and facilities standards on no one else but women except misogyny. Plain and simple.

You should have no problem with that, as you fully support misogyny.
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Old 07-05-2016, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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There's no reason whatsoever to force lower medical and facilities standards on no one else but women except misogyny. Plain and simple.

You should have no problem with that, as you fully support misogyny.
No, all I support is reasonable standards for abortion facilities. Those do not need to be the same as standards for surgery centers, as SCOTUS has determined.
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Old 07-05-2016, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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There's no reason whatsoever to force lower medical and facilities standards on no one else but women except misogyny. Plain and simple.

You should have no problem with that, as you fully support misogyny.
You have a problem though. These Centers may well offer services to men.


Does Planned Parenthood have services for men?

Yes. Planned Parenthood offers services for men including screening and treatment for sexually transmitted infections, counseling and testing for HIV, condoms, and counseling and referrals for free or low-cost vasectomy

So now you have to figure out why it is that places that service women and men are misogynistic.
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Old 07-05-2016, 02:40 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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No, all I support is reasonable standards for abortion facilities. Those do not need to be the same as standards for surgery centers, as SCOTUS has determined.
Why not? If abortion centers perform surgical abortion procedures, why shouldn't they have to meet surgery center medical and facilities standards?

See what I mean? Lower medical standards for women's health care but not for anyone else's. That's MISOGYNY with a capital M.
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Old 07-05-2016, 02:44 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You have a problem though. These Centers may well offer services to men.
They provide surgical abortion procedures to men? Cite your source for that.
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Old 07-05-2016, 02:48 PM
 
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Why not? If abortion centers perform surgical abortion procedures, why shouldn't they have to meet surgery center medical and facilities standards?

See what I mean? Lower medical standards for women's health care but not for anyone else's. That's MISOGYNY with a capital M.
Are you saying that all abortions are surgical abortions?
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Old 07-05-2016, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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They provide surgical abortion procedures to men? Cite your source for that.
They provide treatment to men. At those facilities. And treatment to women that require no surgery.

Or have you need got it straight in your head that different procedures have different requirements?

Open heart surgery requirements are different than removing a small cyst. But both are surgical procedures.
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Old 07-05-2016, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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Are you saying that all abortions are surgical abortions?
Most abortions are, in fact, not.

Forcing a woman to drive 4+ hours to find a clinic can make the difference, though, between an abortion being chemical or surgical.
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Old 07-05-2016, 02:53 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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They provide treatment to men.
Not surgical abortion procedures, and therein lies the problem. How many women walk into these clinics knowing that medical and facilities standards are lower than in other surgical centers? And how many know that SCOTUS has ruled that women have NO 14th Amendment Constitutional right to equal protection, but everyone else does?

MISOGYNY with a capital M. plain and simple.
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