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Old 07-06-2016, 05:30 AM
 
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You still haven't answered the basic question but what else is new. The changes made no difference in Texas
On the contrary, they did. 200 TX women per year are admitted to the ER with complications from abortions. 200 women are enough to require the same surgery center standards of facilities that perform surgical abortions on women.
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Old 07-06-2016, 05:31 AM
 
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And Brigham is still allowed to run abortion clinics, to this day, in NJ and MD, even though his medical license has been suspended.
His existing clinics ONLY dispense pills.
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Old 07-06-2016, 05:34 AM
 
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His existing clinics ONLY dispense pills.
Why are abortion clinics needed to dispense pills. Why can't a doctor's office do that? And how can they dispense pills when Brigham's medical license has been suspended?
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Old 07-06-2016, 05:37 AM
 
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On the contrary, they did. 200 TX women per year are admitted to the ER with complications from abortions. 200 women are enough to require the same surgery center standards of facilities that perform surgical abortions on women.
Admitted to a hospital several days after the abortion, not at the clinic.
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Old 07-06-2016, 05:44 AM
 
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Admitted to a hospital several days after the abortion, not at the clinic.
Not always. As with any surgical procedure, complications requiring immediate emergency care can and do happen. There is no such thing as a 100% safe surgical procedure that has no complications whatsoever. You'd be foolish to think so.
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Old 07-06-2016, 05:51 AM
 
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911 emergency call from a surgical abortion clinic in Houston:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=Y9Ahj014HWo

There were 3 other 911 emergency calls for surgical complications within the same 30 day period in 2015.

That's why meeting surgical center standards IS necessary.
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Old 07-06-2016, 06:22 AM
 
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  • 78.1% of all reported abortions in 2012 were accomplished by surgical procedure: curettage (which includes dilation and evacuation). Most curettage abortions are suction procedures.
  • Medical abortions made up 21.9% of all abortions reported in 2012.
Latest published CDC data (November 27, 2015): Abortion Surveillance — United States, 2012


As the vast majority of abortions are surgical procedures, ambulatory surgery standards ARE necessary. The SCOTUS ruling sets a horrible legal precedent that it's OK to provide substandard health care to women.
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Old 07-06-2016, 06:25 AM
 
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Not always. As with any surgical procedure, complications requiring immediate emergency care can and do happen. There is no such thing as a 100% safe surgical procedure that has no complications whatsoever. You'd be foolish to think so.
Well that's exactly the point you don't have any examples of that occurring, so what was the problem they were addressing. I don't expect an answer because you can't produce even one instance requiring immediate medical care to that level yet you feel the need for HB2 because it might happen.




Go to pages 47 & 48 of the oral argument as that was the question posed to the lawyer representing Texas.


Also top of page 66 is spot on.


http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arg...5-274_l53m.pdf
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Old 07-06-2016, 06:32 AM
 
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Well that's exactly the point you don't have any examples of that occurring, so what was the problem they were addressing. I don't expect an answer because you can't produce even one instance requiring immediate medical care to that level yet you feel the need for HB2 because it might happen.
I just did: The 911 call from Houston's PP regarding the woman's perforated uterus.

Additionally, I just posted CDC stats showing that nearly 80% of all abortions are SURGICAL procedures. There's absolutely NO reason whatsoever to not require such providers to meet ambulatory surgery center standards.
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Old 07-06-2016, 06:39 AM
 
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I just did: The 911 call from Houston's PP regarding the woman's perforated uterus.

Additionally, I just posted CDC stats showing that nearly 80% of all abortions are SURGICAL procedures. There's absolutely NO reason whatsoever to not require such providers to meet ambulatory surgery center standards.
One youtube video, please. Do you have an article surrounding the details, I'm guessing the Life News since the lawyer missed this one.


So this one incident in Texas was sufficient to pass HB2, seriously.
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