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Old 07-07-2016, 10:06 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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InformedConsent is sadly using semantics to twist her argument and is resorting to dishonesty.
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Old 07-07-2016, 10:21 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Surgery A = Surgery B

Unless you're a woman. Then SCOTUS has ruled that your surgery doesn't have to meet any minimum standards.

All hail the misogynists. /puke

Seriously? Who else but the stupid can agree with forcing women to accept lower medical and facilities standards for their health care than men are allowed to have?
That is not true. Why do you keep saying abortion clinics do not have to meet ANY standards? They already have standards. Only the stupid would say such a thing.

Anyone (male or female) who has minor surgery at a doctor's office is receiving substandard treatment, according to you, because not all doctors who perform surgery must meet ambulatory surgery center standards.

Why don't you care about men? ()

I do hope you are drinking a lot of fluids. Puking as much as you are tends to dehydrate the body.
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Old 07-07-2016, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Why can't abortion clinics meet the minimum state standards? Other ambulatory surgery centers have no problem meeting the standards.
Abortion centers can meet minimum standards needed for performing abortions. It is not necessary for those to be the same as standards for surgery centers in order for abortions to be done safely.
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Old 07-07-2016, 02:54 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Maybe you should try comprehending what I posted.

"A D&C after a MISCARRIAGE can be done in a doctors office that dose not require surgical center regs nor does the doctor need admitting privileges. A D&C after a MISCARRIAGE is done to remove fetal remains just like an abortion.
Maybe you should try comprehending what I posted.

States have the 10th Amendment right to license abortion doctors just as they license other surgeons. Note that not one single state has refused to license an MD based solely on their history or intent of performing legal abortions.

States ALSO have the 10th Amendment right to require facilities that perform ambulatory surgical abortions to meet the same medical and facilities standards legislated for every other ambulatory surgery facility.

In addition, WOMEN have a 14th Amendment right to equal protection of state laws.

So, exactly where is your confusion on this matter?

10th and 14th Amendment Constitutional rights matter. One's "feelings" about an issue, don't. Plain and simple.
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Old 07-07-2016, 02:56 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Hypocrisy, thy name is...
Surgery A = Surgery B

Unless you're a woman. Then SCOTUS has ruled that your surgery doesn't have to meet any minimum standards.

All hail the misogynists. /puke

Seriously? Who else but the stupid can agree with forcing women to accept lower medical and facilities standards for their health care than men are allowed to have?
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Old 07-07-2016, 02:58 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Abortion centers can meet minimum standards needed for performing abortions.
SURGICAL abortions? No. We've already been over this...

States have the 10th Amendment right to license abortion doctors just as they license other surgeons. Note that not one single state has refused to license an MD based solely on their history or intent of performing legal abortions.

States ALSO have the 10th Amendment right to require facilities that perform ambulatory surgical abortions to meet the same medical and facilities standards legislated for every other ambulatory surgery facility.

In addition, WOMEN have a 14th Amendment right to equal protection of state laws.

So, exactly where is your confusion on this matter?

10th and 14th Amendment Constitutional rights matter. One's "feelings" about an issue, don't. Plain and simple.
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Old 07-07-2016, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Maybe you should try comprehending what I posted.
I can understand if TX was trying to regulate all surgical procedures, but they didn't even try to regulate the same procedure equally between practitioners.

Dr A does Procedure X is regulated in one way.
Dr B does procedure X as not regulated the same way.
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Old 07-07-2016, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Surgery A = Surgery B

Unless you're a woman. Then SCOTUS has ruled that your surgery doesn't have to meet any minimum standards.

All hail the misogynists. /puke

Seriously? Who else but the stupid can agree with forcing women to accept lower medical and facilities standards for their health care than men are allowed to have?
Yet in the case of the TX law surgery A doesn't even equal surgery A depending on who is doing it for what purpose.
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Old 07-07-2016, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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SURGICAL abortions? No. We've already been over this...

States have the 10th Amendment right to license abortion doctors just as they license other surgeons. Note that not one single state has refused to license an MD based solely on their history or intent of performing legal abortions.

States ALSO have the 10th Amendment right to require facilities that perform ambulatory surgical abortions to meet the same medical and facilities standards legislated for every other ambulatory surgery facility.

In addition, WOMEN have a 14th Amendment right to equal protection of state laws.

So, exactly where is your confusion on this matter?

10th and 14th Amendment Constitutional rights matter. One's "feelings" about an issue, don't. Plain and simple.
An ambulatory surgery center is not needed to safely perform abortions. They can be done in an office setting, as SCOTUS has determined. Gynecologists commonly do other procedures of similar risk in their offices, including cervical biopsies under local anesthesia.

According to your theory, any surgical procedure, no matter what the level of difficulty is, needs to be done in an ambulatory surgery center. As has been pointed out to you repeatedly, there are many surgical procedures done in physician offices, some of which have greater risks of complications than an abortion. To single out abortion and force providers to operate as surgery centers was just an obvious ploy to make it harder for Texas women to get abortions. Sorry, that discriminated against women seeking abortion. SCOTUS said Texas cannot do that.
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Old 07-07-2016, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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There appears to be a view that the 10th is...
"Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.

But it is not...No "expressly" in the 10th. The Federalist won...get over it.
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