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Old 06-28-2016, 01:47 PM
 
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That is why I told these ignorant people that a death occurred with every abortion. For some reason that is always left out of the pro-abortionist thinking. For some reason that doesn't seem to matter. The baby is a human life and that baby has been judged, sentenced and killed for doing absolutely nothing wrong. I find it disgusting that supposedly civilized people find that acceptable. Don't you people have a conscience? What is wrong with you?

"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" as our constitution allows has been denied to that aborted baby.
You consider the fetus to be a baby. I'm sure you find it disgusting that others don't. And even more disgusting that you don't get to impose your beliefs on everyone else.
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Old 06-28-2016, 01:50 PM
 
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"Unconstitutional?" Where does the Constitution dictate the requirements for state laws governing the operation of medical facilities within their state?
The Constitution dictates that the application of laws be equal and just. If the state laws governing the operation of medical facilities aren't equal, for instance they target medical facilities that primarily serve women while not imposing equal requirements on facilities that serve men or the general population as a whole, then the law is not equal or just.
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Old 06-28-2016, 01:50 PM
 
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Simply repeating the same thing over and over does not make it true. Only a nitwit would think that this ruling meant that these abortion clinics are no longer covered by any state medical standards. Texas did not, when it passed this law, delete the old standards applicable to this class of medical clinics. Instead, they 'upped the bar' of medical standards for one particular subclass, the abortion clinic.
Abortion centers were not the only surgery-performing facilities that had to meet the higher medical standards legislated for ambulatory surgery centers. So, indeed, this ruling violates the Constitution's equal protection clause.

It makes women, specifically and discriminatorily, 2nd class citizens in regards to their health care needs.
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Old 06-28-2016, 01:53 PM
 
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Abortion centers were not the only surgery-performing facilities that had to meet the higher medical standards legislated for ambulatory surgery centers. So, indeed, this ruling violates the Constitution's equal protection clause.

It makes women, specifically and discriminatorily, 2nd class citizens in regards to their health care needs.
What other medical facilities had to meet the higher medical standards?
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Old 06-28-2016, 01:53 PM
 
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The Constitution dictates that the application of laws be equal and just. If the state laws governing the operation of medical facilities aren't equal, for instance they target medical facilities that primarily serve women while not imposing equal requirements on facilities that serve men or the general population as a whole, then the law is not equal or just.
The law did impose equal requirements, though. This was the same law legislating the standards ambulatory surgery centers were required to meet.

As such, the SCOTUS ruling violates the equal protection clause, and essentially discriminates against women making them 2nd class citizens in regards to their gender-specific medical needs.
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Old 06-28-2016, 01:54 PM
 
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Abortion centers were not the only surgery-performing facilities that had to meet the higher medical standards legislated for ambulatory surgery centers. So, indeed, this ruling violates the Constitution's equal protection clause.

It makes women, specifically and discriminatorily, 2nd class citizens in regards to their health care needs.
Really? Well, here be the law itself:


https://legiscan.com/TX/text/HB2/id/870667


Entitled: AN ACT relating to the regulation of abortion procedures, providers, and facilities; providing penalties.
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Old 06-28-2016, 01:55 PM
 
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The law did impose equal requirements, though. This was the same law legislating the standards ambulatory surgery centers were required to meet.

As such, the SCOTUS ruling violates the equal protection clause, and essentially discriminates against women making them 2nd class citizens in regards to their gender-specific medical needs.
This law targeted abortion centers.

Please cite the other clinics that had to meet the higher standards.
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Old 06-28-2016, 01:58 PM
 
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What other medical facilities had to meet the higher medical standards?
Ambulatory surgery centers.
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Old 06-28-2016, 01:59 PM
 
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Abortion centers were not the only surgery-performing facilities that had to meet the higher medical standards legislated for ambulatory surgery centers. So, indeed, this ruling violates the Constitution's equal protection clause.
If that is so, why was there a SPECIFIC law written for abortion clinics?

Oh, and by the way, I'm still waiting for your proof that 'MDs are in all state legislatures'.
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Old 06-28-2016, 02:02 PM
 
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Really? Well, here be the law itself:


https://legiscan.com/TX/text/HB2/id/870667


Entitled: AN ACT relating to the regulation of abortion procedures, providers, and facilities; providing penalties.
And here's the law regarding ambulatory surgery centers:

http://texreg.sos.state.tx.us/public/readtac$ext.ViewTAC?tac_view=4&ti=25&pt=1&ch=135

Perhaps you can explain why a facility performing surgical abortions on an outpatient basis shouldn't have to meet the same requirements.

Are you yet another who thinks it's OK that women are discriminated against and treated as 2nd class citizens when it comes to their gender-specific health care needs?

Like I said... ambulatory surgery. The SCOTUS ruling violates the equal protection clause.
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