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Old 07-01-2016, 04:40 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It is possible for quality abortion care to be provided in a facility that does not meet the physical plant requirements of a surgery center.
It's possible for ambulatory surgery centers to do the same, as well. Yet, they are required by law to meet higher medical and facilities standards. No one has a problem with that.

What this SCOTUS ruling has done is deny women, exclusively, their 14th Amendment right to equal protection. It sets a horrible precedent.
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Old 07-01-2016, 05:56 AM
 
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It's possible for ambulatory surgery centers to do the same, as well. Yet, they are required by law to meet higher medical and facilities standards. No one has a problem with that.

What this SCOTUS ruling has done is deny women, exclusively, their 14th Amendment right to equal protection. It sets a horrible precedent.
You are a unique constitutional scholar. Of all the critiques I've seen of the Court's ruling, yours is the only one that claims the ruling denies women their 14th Amendment right to equal protection. Who were your professors at the Matchbook Cover School of Law & Fine Art ?
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Old 07-01-2016, 06:00 AM
 
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You are a unique constitutional scholar. Of all the critiques I've seen of the Court's ruling, yours is the only one that claims the ruling denies women their 14th Amendment right to equal protection. Who were your professors at the Matchbook Cover School of Law & Fine Art ?
Lol +1

I too find it interesting that most people on here think they are most qualified to Judge and make the "right decision" then people who spend their whole lives studying the topics.
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Old 07-01-2016, 06:09 AM
 
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You are a unique constitutional scholar. Of all the critiques I've seen of the Court's ruling, yours is the only one that claims the ruling denies women their 14th Amendment right to equal protection.
How is that not true?

Think very carefully about this: Ambulatory surgery centers have to meet minimum medical and facilities standards, yet abortion centers which perform surgical procedures on women do not. That's a clear violation of the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause.

Court rulings aren't infallible. Every single court has been overturned at one point or another, even SCOTUS.
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Old 07-01-2016, 06:18 AM
 
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Repeating that line ad nauseum does not make it true.
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Old 07-01-2016, 06:24 AM
 
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Repeating that line ad nauseum does not make it true.
Actually it is true. SCOTUS ruled that while it's true that ambulatory surgery centers have to meet minimum medical and facilities standards, abortion centers that perform surgical procedures on women don't have to.

Clear violation of the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause.
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Old 07-01-2016, 06:27 AM
 
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Actually it is true. SCOTUS ruled that while it's true that ambulatory surgery centers have to meet minimum medical and facilities standards, abortion centers that perform surgical procedures on women don't have to.

Clear violation of the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause.
I don't recall that very important point being brought up by any of the justices or Texas, how did they all miss that. Maybe next time they should seek your advice.
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Old 07-01-2016, 06:37 AM
 
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I don't recall that very important point being brought up by any of the justices or Texas
Actually, they did. SCOTUS just ignored it, like they do many other Constitutional rights while they and other federal courts legislate from the bench (which they're NOT supposed to do - their job is to adhere to the Constitution).

Just look at how far 1st, 2nd, 4th, 6th, 10th, and 14th (just for starters) Amendment rights have been eroded by inappropriate federal court judicial activism rulings.
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Old 07-01-2016, 06:42 AM
 
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Actually, they did. SCOTUS just ignored it, like they do many other Constitutional rights while they and other federal courts legislate from the bench (which they're NOT supposed to do - their job is to adhere to the Constitution).

Just look at how far 1st, 2nd, 4th, 6th, 10th, and 14th (just for starters) Amendment rights have been eroded by inappropriate federal court judicial activism rulings.


Well good catch on your part, even Justice Thomas missed that one.
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Old 07-01-2016, 07:06 AM
 
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Well good catch on your part, even Justice Thomas missed that one.
Yeah, well, now we're stuck with this ruling that establishes the horrendous legal precedent that women, exclusively, don't have 14th Amendment equal protection rights anymore.

The 14th Amendment clause of which I speak:

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

But SCOTUS just ruled that while ambulatory surgery centers have minimum state-legislated medical and facilities standards they must meet, abortion centers performing surgical procedures on women do not have to meet those standards.
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