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Old 06-30-2016, 04:03 PM
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_"Self-Driving Tesla Was Involved in Fatal Crash, U.S. Says"_
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/bu...stigation.html

The procedural (not to mention ethics) decision trees are barely, remotely begun, and the computer vision and situational awareness is basely primitive. Public road tests are being started decades before they should be, if ever. Hubris, delusion, avg. intellect are guiding principles in the development and deployment of cars like this.

 
Old 06-30-2016, 04:07 PM
 
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This sucks, I'm looking forward to self driving cars and this will be an obvious setback.

Absolutely horrible that someone lost their life. Very sad.
 
Old 06-30-2016, 04:12 PM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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From the story it sounds like the car was out on the open road in traffic. I can't even have blue tail lights, how the heck did they get this licensed to operate on a public road?
 
Old 06-30-2016, 04:17 PM
 
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LIKE REAL DRIVERS NEVER KILL ANYONE ?

only about 30-40 thousand Americans per year.

so much for that.

btw, the article says it hasn't been determined if
the truck was to blame, not the car.
 
Old 06-30-2016, 04:28 PM
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LIKE REAL DRIVERS NEVER KILL ANYONE ?

only about 30-40 thousand Americans per year.

so much for that.

btw, the article says it hasn't been determined if
the truck was to blame, not the car.
1. In the U.S.: 1.5 deaths per 100 million vehicle-miles for year 2000.

2. Just some of the calculations and dependency factors that go into avoidance anticipation and practical attempts in a condition like the one encountered: peripheral vision capability--and relative accuracy of appreciation of the local topology in that periphery; velocities; angles of objects; estimated mass, length; calculated object type; potential attempts at operator acknowledgement; surface conditions; populations in immediate vicinity; sensor and computational capacity....

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LIKE REAL DRIVERS NEVER KILL ANYONE ?
Remember that when self-driving cars go live, they will never be determined to be at fault in an accident.

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Old 06-30-2016, 05:15 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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I know it sounds awful, but I hope the self driving vehicles continue to cause fatalities and are shown to be dangerous over and over again. I do not like the authoritarian plans they have for us down the "road" for these things to remove our ability to "drive" our own vehicles freely. If you look into the development of these things, which is nothing new at all, the "goal" is to take the ability of "free travel" and even "private vehicle ownership" away from people. It is more Utopian nightmare nonsense. They envision it as a "controlled forced mass transportation system" for our own "good" of course...

Furthermore, I'd rather die by my own mistake than that of a computer or tyrant malfunction any day of the week.
 
Old 06-30-2016, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Furthermore, I'd rather die by my own mistake than that of a computer or tyrant malfunction any day of the week.
What about dying by some other human idiots mistake? Or worse, what about living as a C5 quadriplegic for the next 20 years before dying slowly of complications from that?
 
Old 06-30-2016, 05:38 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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What about dying by some other human idiots mistake? Or worse, what about living as a C5 quadriplegic for the next 20 years before dying slowly of complications from that?
Okay I'd still rather die by some other idiot's mistake than by a computer's mistake or the dictate of a government...
 
Old 06-30-2016, 05:39 PM
 
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Remember that when self-driving cars go live, they will never be determined to be at fault in an accident.
What do you work for Geico ? or State Farm...
 
Old 06-30-2016, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Japan
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This sucks, I'm looking forward to self driving cars and this will be an obvious setback.
Me too. It would be nice if, in twenty five years when I am 78 years old, I could get in my car, tell it where to go, and then take a nap until I reach my destination. But I fear it may be longer than that before they can perfect it. And merely being as good as today's cars won't be enough. The technology will have to be proven much safer than human drivers before it is accepted.
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