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Old 07-01-2016, 11:09 AM
 
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I want government out of day to day business and let the chips fall where they may.
So you are dreaming of full-blown plutocracy then where people like yourself have no say in the political process. Basically you want third world feudalism.
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Old 07-01-2016, 11:16 AM
 
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But you dont answer the question. Who will write these patent laws and trade deals and anti-trust laws in a society where the rich control 99% of the wealth and 90% of the income? Remember wealth=power. It will be government by and for the plutocracy. This is called oligarchy and is terrible. Or do you like a system where 99.9% of the people are slaves of the super rich?
gee i dont know, congress perhaps? its their job to write the laws after all.
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Old 07-01-2016, 11:17 AM
 
Location: louisville
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Is that a compliment or a dig? Lol
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Old 07-01-2016, 11:18 AM
 
Location: louisville
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gee i dont know, congress perhaps? its their job to write the laws after all.
Can't be them as they are the elite! Lol
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Old 07-01-2016, 11:55 AM
 
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Can't be them as they are the elite! Lol
It will be the ultra rich by means of Congress and they WONT represent you. Whats so great about that? People who complain about unfair trade agreements have no clue whats coming to them in a society with even more wealth and income inequality. How people can defend this, I dont understand. The obvious solution is to push for policies that reduce income and wealth inequality, so we can have a democracy again.
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Old 07-01-2016, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Anyone know what this rant is about?




I think the OP is concerned about patent laws being violated by the Chinese.
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Old 07-01-2016, 12:02 PM
 
Location: louisville
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It will be the ultra rich by means of Congress and they WONT represent you. Whats so great about that? People who complain about unfair trade agreements have no clue whats coming to them in a society with even more wealth and income inequality. How people can defend this, I dont understand. The obvious solution is to push for policies that reduce income and wealth inequality, so we can have a democracy again.
If you don't get the money, via a vis lobbyists and pacs, out of the election cycle, it's moot.

Your public election cycle? How do you envision it working and how would it be funded?
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Old 07-01-2016, 12:10 PM
 
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It will be the ultra rich by means of Congress and they WONT represent you. Whats so great about that? People who complain about unfair trade agreements have no clue whats coming to them in a society with even more wealth and income inequality. How people can defend this, I dont understand. The obvious solution is to push for policies that reduce income and wealth inequality, so we can have a democracy again.
So if the problem is that the rich have the government write laws that benefit them, isn't less government the best answer? (Hint, the answer is yes)

Policies that reduce wealth and income inequality reduce investment and reduce nearly every hard working persons income.

I have a friend that just got $15 million (which isn't actually that much money) from a PE firm to start a small manufacturing company. They will make more money than him in the long run, but his income will increase and he'll provide jobs to people which will benefit those workers. Without the PE firm, he wouldn't be opening the company and he won't be providing jobs. He's upper middle class.
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Old 07-01-2016, 12:10 PM
 
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Unable to answer I see. Why havent you thought about the consequences of the "government is evil" rhetoric? We need LAWS and who will write these laws in an environment of massive wealth and income inequality if not the donor class? Its like shooting yourself in the foot. If you are NOT ultra rich and you support policies that will sharply increase inequality because you think "markets are great, government is evil, rich people should be fawned over, taxes are theft" or some other far right talking point, then you are basically saying that the interests of you and your family dont matter.




You do realize the federal government enacts regulations at the request of large international corporations because these corporations know their smaller business rivals will have tremendous difficulty complying with them, right?


Our politicians will go along with the plan to regulate away a business's competition because they get big kick backs, but they also get to sell exemptions to the new rules to everyone that is supposed to comply with them.


The answer to government corruption is never more of the same corrupt government.
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Old 07-01-2016, 12:13 PM
 
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You do realize the federal government enacts regulations at the request of large international corporations because these corporations know their smaller business rivals will have tremendous difficulty complying with them, right?
Not trying to slam him, but I believe his is ignorant to this reality.
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