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Old 07-01-2016, 11:29 AM
 
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If you don't get the money, via a vis lobbyists and pacs, out of the election cycle, it's moot.

Your public election cycle? How do you envision it working and how would it be funded?
Exactly, we need to get big money out of politics, and the more lopsided the distribution of income and wealth is, the easier it becomes for the ruling class to control the political process.

Publicly funded elections is a great step in the right direction, and makes it possible for anyone to run for office without having to beg the rich and the powerful for money (political bribery). Are you asking how this can be done?

Here is a great start:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_PAC
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Old 07-01-2016, 11:33 AM
 
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Not trying to slam him, but I believe his is ignorant to this reality.
You have no arguments. Just silly name calling and taunting. Why else do you refuse to answer the question in the title? Simply saying "reduce government", "who has the power and will write the laws and legislation is not important" doesnt resolve the issue of the people not having a say in how they are run!

If you dont fight to reduce big money in politics and reduction in income and wealth inequality, it will be Wall Street, big pharma, the military industrial complex and big oil that will decide thing for you!
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Old 07-01-2016, 11:36 AM
 
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You do realize the federal government enacts regulations at the request of large international corporations because these corporations know their smaller business rivals will have tremendous difficulty complying with them, right?


Our politicians will go along with the plan to regulate away a business's competition because they get big kick backs, but they also get to sell exemptions to the new rules to everyone that is supposed to comply with them.


The answer to government corruption is never more of the same corrupt government.
Of course the answer is not to elect puppets of the billionaire class to be installed in government offices. You refuse to answer the question though. If you dont care about income and wealth inequality, you dont care about who has power over the laws of the land. If you dont care about that, then you dont care about yourself and your future. You are basically outsourcing it to the donor class.
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Old 07-01-2016, 11:38 AM
 
Location: louisville
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Exactly, we need to get big money out of politics, and the more lopsided the distribution of income and wealth is, the easier it becomes for the ruling class to control the political process.

Publicly funded elections is a great step in the right direction, and makes it possible for anyone to run for office without having to beg the rich and the powerful for money (political bribery). Are you asking how this can be done?

Here is a great start:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_PAC
I'll let the occupy movement slide... But they are pretty skimpy on the details of how it would be funded and if it would be controlled by the fec or a new commission.

Most of those you have been arguing with this morning recognize getting money out of the system is the key. Equifinality: there can be many avenues to that solution.

Buying into the current rigged game is not the answer. Neither of these candidates are the answer. And the 'parties' s.a.f. Aren't the answer.
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Old 07-01-2016, 11:39 AM
 
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You have no arguments. Just silly name calling and taunting. Why else do you refuse to answer the question in the title? Simply saying "reduce government", "who has the power and will write the laws and legislation is not important" doesnt resolve the issue of the people not having a say in how they are run!

If you dont fight to reduce big money in politics and reduction in income and wealth inequality, it will be Wall Street, big pharma, the military industrial complex and big oil that will decide thing for you!
Ignorant isn't a name, it's a description of not being knowledgeable of the subject.
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Old 07-01-2016, 11:51 AM
 
Location: MS
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So you are dreaming of full-blown plutocracy then where people like yourself have no say in the political process. Basically you want third world feudalism.
Absolutely not. If there is government impacting my life it should be my local city government. The county government should have less of an impact. The same for the state. Finally the same for the feds. At each level there should be a smaller impact.

My wife should not have to submit forms to the United States Department of Agriculture for her share of the family farm she inherited from her father. The Constitution does not give the federal government the power to have a USDA. Maybe the state government where the farm resides has that power but I haven't lived in that state in 15 years and I have not read their Constitution. But if no chartering document gives the government the power over a farm or any other business then that government should have no say in any regulation.
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Old 07-01-2016, 12:07 PM
 
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Absolutely not. If there is government impacting my life it should be my local city government. The county government should have less of an impact. The same for the state. Finally the same for the feds. At each level there should be a smaller impact.

My wife should not have to submit forms to the United States Department of Agriculture for her share of the family farm she inherited from her father. The Constitution does not give the federal government the power to have a USDA. Maybe the state government where the farm resides has that power but I haven't lived in that state in 15 years and I have not read their Constitution. But if no chartering document gives the government the power over a farm or any other business then that government should have no say in any regulation.
Be prepared to get the "what did she do to deserve that land" argument.

The left won't be happy until all farms are corporate owned. Corporations don't have to worry about selling farms in order to pay for the death tax.
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Old 07-01-2016, 01:37 PM
 
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This is question to libertarians and market fundamentalists: We know that income and wealth inequality will skyrocket by design under these type of policies. This is embraced as "fair" and "great" because the market is just super great. But who will write the patent laws, trade deals, anti-trust legislation and so much more in an economy where the ultra rich have so much wealth and power? Your answer is that if we just shrink the government everything will be fine, but who will write the patent laws, trade deals and anti-trust legislation? The ultra wealthy would basically have full control over this process and will steamroll over 99.99% of the population. What is so great about that?
The irony of your statement is that with ultra liberals writing the laws...(and more importantly REGULATIONS) over the last 7 years, we have seen the income gap widening at a greater and greater pace....




so the PROG said SAYS it cares about income inequality, but its ACTIONS show that it cares to make its own rich even more powerful and... rich....




so there is no answer that can possibly answer your question... because you are enthralled by language and blind to action.....




until you find healing for your sickness you will never be free......
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Old 07-01-2016, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I would like to see a government big and strong enough to tax the one percenters down to merely wealthy enough to live without working. Then spend the money on improved infrastructure built of Union made materials delivered by Union truckers put together by Union workers. The rest should be used to enhance military pensions and disability payments.


These funds would be spent by the recipients to buy, under a countervailing tariff system, goods and services Made in the USA. This would be far better for almost everyone than the crony corrupt business system that never fails to steal from the producers to give to the idle investor classes.
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Old 07-01-2016, 04:23 PM
 
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I would like to see a government big and strong enough to tax the one percenters down to merely wealthy enough to live without working. Then spend the money on improved infrastructure built of Union made materials delivered by Union truckers put together by Union workers. The rest should be used to enhance military pensions and disability payments.


These funds would be spent by the recipients to buy, under a countervailing tariff system, goods and services Made in the USA. This would be far better for almost everyone than the crony corrupt business system that never fails to steal from the producers to give to the idle investor classes.
Yes, we know you liberals want to dictate how much money other people can have and feel you have the right to just take it.

It's just pathetic that your class envy makes you feel that is just.
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