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Old 07-02-2016, 10:39 AM
 
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So another discussion at work. You think prostitution should be legal? Think if regulated in a licensed business yes. Provide much safer environment. Give the individuals working as escorts a higher self esteem and value.

What's your thoughts?

 
Old 07-02-2016, 10:43 AM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Any human action which is not an initiation of force upon another is a natural human right and thus cannot morally be defined as a "crime". If no one is initiating force upon another so be it...that is a peaceful voluntary agreement between two parties that no one outside of that arrangement should have any say about whatsoever...
 
Old 07-02-2016, 10:52 AM
 
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Originally Posted by irspow View Post
Any human action which is not an initiation of force upon another is a natural human right and thus cannot morally be defined as a "crime". If no one is initiating force upon another so be it...that is a peaceful voluntary agreement between two parties that no one outside of that arrangement should have any say about whatsoever...
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Old 07-02-2016, 10:52 AM
 
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No.

Just because something happens and is "peaceable" (a debatable subject, that is)
does not mean the elected representative bodies of our governments ought to
sanction it.

When a government body "legalizes" an activity, especially one that was previously
condemned as illegal, it is now sanctioning that activity.

Prostitution should not be promoted as just another job. It's bad enough that
most of the pornography industry is nothing more than prostitution, masquerading
as "art", or "free speech". By definition, this great majority of pornography is
prostitution, because money is being exchanged for sexual acts.

irspow, you talk about "freedom", but you need to understand that the right of
people in communities to instill that community with a reasonable expectation of
their own standards IS FREEDOM.

My opinion as stated above is that prostitution should be illegal, and I would also
like to see pornography fall under new restrictions.
 
Old 07-02-2016, 10:59 AM
 
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Yes, it should be legal and licensed, so the women/men can be checked for disease. You are never going to eliminate it anyway.
 
Old 07-02-2016, 10:59 AM
 
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"community standards" - LOL!

I think a search of neighborhood streets for names released through the Ashley Madison hack will reveal the moral standards of most communities.
 
Old 07-02-2016, 11:00 AM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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No.

Just because something happens and is "peaceable" (a debatable subject, that is)
does not mean the elected representative bodies of our governments ought to
sanction it.

When a government body "legalizes" an activity, especially one that was previously
condemned as illegal, it is now sanctioning that activity.

Prostitution should not be promoted as just another job. It's bad enough that
most of the pornography industry is nothing more than prostitution, masquerading
as "art", or "free speech". By definition, this great majority of pornography is
prostitution, because money is being exchanged for sexual acts.

irspow, you talk about "freedom", but you need to understand that the right of
people in communities to instill that community with a reasonable expectation of
their own standards IS FREEDOM.

My opinion as stated above is that prostitution should be illegal, and I would also
like to see pornography fall under new restrictions.
You cannot have freedom in a "society" where "some" have the supposed "right" to impose their will upon "others". No sane person can make a "moral" argument that any person should have a "right" to make another his personal slave to his personal beliefs or interests. That "philosophy" advocates slavery, aggression, and evil and not peace and human freedom.

You, nor the "government", ever has any supposed "right" to initiate force upon any person for any reason whatsoever.

The ONLY just form of force is RETALIATORY. ALL INITIATIONS of force are immoral and evil.
 
Old 07-02-2016, 11:00 AM
 
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Prostitution is just another job... absolutely legalize it and regulate it. I have friends who are working girls and the system itself victimizes them.....

AND

Actively pursue and enhance the laws around sex-child related offenses as well as human trafficking. When I say human trafficking, I mean ALL forms of it; housekeeping, food services, nail salons, agricultural, nanny, etc... Focusing on sex-human-trafficking only has made the public not aware of it in other non-sex-related areas; much of the time it operates right in front of people but they don't recognized it.

As an interim step, I would support provisions to make the sale of sex legal while making the purchasing of sex illegal. Some other countries have used such measures as a compromise in order to promote safety among sex workers while satisfying those that want the decision of the purchasing sex services legal status decided at the local level. My primary concern are the safety of my circle of friends and those that choose the same job.

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Old 07-02-2016, 11:14 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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Originally Posted by Snowball7 View Post

irspow, you talk about "freedom", but you need to understand that the right of
people in communities to instill that community with a reasonable expectation of
their own standards IS FREEDOM.
You cannot preach "freedom" while in the same sentence impose on other people's rights. People have a right to engage in sex with anyone they choose. People have a right and domain over their own bodies (the premise of many of our laws.. including abortion laws)

Now if you are concerned about quality of life within the community, many sex worker rights supporters (including me) also believe in heavy regulation. Alcohol cannot be consume in public; people cannot have sex in public. Alcohol cannot be sold in the street; people should not be allowed to sell sex on the street. There are strict child labor laws; they should also be applied to sex work (and enhanced specifically for sex work). There are strict labor laws; they should also be applied to sex work (and enhanced specifically for sex work). There are health standards in many professions; the same should be applied to sex work.

Sex in of itself doesn't damage quality of life or violate the so called "freedoms" of the community no more than a husband and wife having sex does in the privacy of their own homes.
 
Old 07-02-2016, 11:24 AM
 
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I think sex should only be regulated if it violates the unwilling. Unwilling counts as those not alert/awake/drugged, those who expressed no consent but was violated, individuals who are not human, and children under 18.
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