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President Obama...... just who is bringing immigration in by land and sea, would it be Hillary and Obama!
Actually, what has Bill Clinton( except to claim he was the first black President) Hillary or President Obama done to help blacks, rather than focusing on immigration?
Actually, I seen a lot of whites change job careers, many became entrepreneurs and trying to make it like everyone else.
Blacks change careers too. I've done it a few times myself.
Whites aren't the only folks that can do that. We do it all the time.
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I get your bitterness & don't necessarily disagree with you philosophically. I do disagree that it's all a wash for Blacks though. No, illegal or even legal immigration hurts Blacks far more than the status quo does. Your stance seems to be "we're f'd anyway, so who cares". That would make perfect sense if the Black population was going to remain static at 13% of total population. However, with the Hispanic population projected to double in 4-5 decades, while Whites and Blacks remain relatively static, that means any political power or momentum currently enjoyed by Blacks becomes diluted and irrelevant. Basically it ensure Blacks go the way of the American Indian, in that their population is so small that they have no voting power or political voice.
So. OK. Hell, we let Indians have casinos and their own reservations.
My question is, when did white folks start caring so much about black employment prospects? When did they start caring about what's hurting the black community all of a sudden?
No, this is about something else. Whites feel that their political and economic power is being diluted, and there are still JUST ENOUGH liberal whites to vote with blacks and Hispanics in national elections. Especially the presidential election, where conservative whites see little hope in getting the electoral college numbers turned around in their favor.
Sorry, but history says that I'm obligated to be very suspicious of conservative White's motives. If you could show me some history of whites overall having these same concerns about other African American issues (outside of finding money to build more prisons) and feeling as if they have some stake in it, then show me. But I can't find it.
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The Mariel Boat Lift and Cuban immigration was one of the most contentious mass immigration issues in our history. The idea that Whites greeted the Cubans with open arms as equals is nonsense. Never mind the crime wave they brought with them. You're way off base.
Mariel wasn't in 1959. I'm not talking about Mariel. But you knew that already.
I'm talking about the hundreds of thousands of Cubans that hit South Florida in 1959 after the Castro Regime took over. They weren't subject to Jim Crow and moved right in front of the native African American population.
The Mariel Boat Lift and Cuban immigration was one of the most contentious mass immigration issues in our history. The idea that Whites greeted the Cubans with open arms as equals is nonsense. Never mind the crime wave they brought with them. You're way off base.
It's easier to blame those not involved, instead of the person he voted for. Little surprised Bush was not blamed!
Blacks change careers too. I've done it a few times myself.
Whites aren't the only folks that can do that. We do it all the time.
I'd say this is just how Americans roll, black, white, Hispanic or Native American.
You know I really wanted you to answer this; Actually, what has Bill Clinton( except to claim he was the first black President) Hillary or President Obama done to help blacks, rather than focusing on immigration?
Your President is the reason for immigration, white GOP helped him fund it.
I'd say this is just how Americans roll, black, white, Hispanic or Native American.
You know I really wanted you to answer this; Actually, what has Bill Clinton( except to claim he was the first black President) Hillary or President Obama done to help blacks, rather than focusing on immigration?
Your President is the reason for immigration, white GOP helped him fund it.
What do you want them to do for blacks specifically? Tell me! That's the better question.
I'd say this is just how Americans roll, black, white, Hispanic or Native American.
You know I really wanted you to answer this; Actually, what has Bill Clinton( except to claim he was the first black President) Hillary or President Obama done to help blacks, rather than focusing on immigration?
Your President is the reason for immigration, white GOP helped him fund it.
I've got a question for you...
Who is the last president that you voted for that actually won?
The point from the beginning is that i DON'T EXPECT white people to help do anything, let alone any heavy lifting. Get it? I never have and never will. That's the point. We have no real history of working together.
Like the Civil Rights Movement? So whitey wasn't helping?
It was blacks who who pushed that through because as everyone knew back then, blacks had a ton of pull.
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So on the issue of illegal immigration, let's continue the tradition, shall we?
So on the issue of keeping your head buried in the sand do so if you wish.
You're more interested in telling me how much you hate Obama and how all blacks should vote Republican (for nefarious reasons, no doubt) than anything else.
Miss me with all that. Anyway...
I hate Obamas policies to be specific. All blacks should be individuals and think for themselves since Central planning doesn't work and effects them in a negative manner more so than whitey.
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Let's be friends.
Friends help each other out so why would I qualify since whitey doesn't help blacks?
Blacks change careers too. I've done it a few times myself.
Whites aren't the only folks that can do that. We do it all the time.
So. OK. Hell, we let Indians have casinos and their own reservations.
My question is, when did white folks start caring so much about black employment prospects? When did they start caring about what's hurting the black community all of a sudden?
No, this is about something else. Whites feel that their political and economic power is being diluted, and there are still JUST ENOUGH liberal whites to vote with blacks and Hispanics in national elections. Especially the presidential election, where conservative whites see little hope in getting the electoral college numbers turned around in their favor.
Sorry, but history says that I'm obligated to be very suspicious of conservative White's motives. If you could show me some history of whites overall having these same concerns about other African American issues (outside of finding money to build more prisons) and feeling as if they have some stake in it, then show me. But I can't find it.
Mariel wasn't in 1959. I'm not talking about Mariel. But you knew that already.
I'm talking about the hundreds of thousands of Cubans that hit South Florida in 1959 after the Castro Regime took over. They weren't subject to Jim Crow and moved right in front of the native African American population.
That ain't off base. That's a FACT!
- Indians have reservations and casinos. Blacks have housing projects and affirmative action hiring for civil service jobs.
- Many White folks care about employment prospects for Blacks and the Black community and always have. That said, I understand it's also largely self serving and get your bitterness. So bitter in fact that you'd rather watch Blacks fall further behind, so long as it does damage to the White Middle and Working classes. It's the old "If I don't get laid, nobody gets laid", hater mentality. Emotion driven and counter intellectual, but understandable.
- I agree with you to an extent again that Whites feel their political and economic power is being diluted. More specifically middle class and working class Whites. And it is. It's not just a conspiracy theory. Unfortunately that leads people like you to cheer for the downfall of unions, middle class jobs and to cheer lead for the elites and corporations who do nothing but pat you on the head and patronize you. The Liberals tend to be well-to-do professionals who don't have to compete with immigrants for work. It's easy to be open minded when you're living well above the peasants in an ivory tower.
- Cuban immigration in 1959? First, I don't know that the old Jews in SoFla necessarily saw the Cubans as ok since "They're White too". Cubans certainly weren't considered "White" in 1959 and really aren't today. Of course the Jews weren't considered "White" in 1959 either, so none of that makes much sense. The n you have the fact that in 1959 we were living under the "Red Scare" and anyone rejecting Communism was granted a modicum of sympathy off the bat. Add in the fact that SoFla was sparsely populated at the time and that the Cuban immigration wasn't even on most people's radar outside of SoFla and it's obviously not apples-to-apples. Then there's the fact that Cuban immigration came slowly and has never been overwhelming like Mexican/Central American immigration. It's estimated we've had over 20,000,000 Mexican and Central American illegals cross our borders in the past twenty years. SoFla never saw that type of immigration wave. When they did start to see serious waves of Cuban immigration as in the early 1980's Mariel Boat Lift there was a huge outcry against it. Of course many of the 1959 Cubans were also aristocratic, knew how to make money and already had connections in SoFla, so that was another leg up. Lastly, as with most immigration, it's not an issue initially, it's gradual build up. I was an immigrant for almost twenty years and without fail, the climate of places depended on how many North Americans were already there. If there were just a handful of us, people loved us. If there were 100k of us in a metro area of 1mm, people were much less tolerant of us. I don't buy your argument that Cuban immigration proves Whites consider Cubans White and thus ok for immigration purposes. It's like saying US Blacks and Somalis or Dominicans all get along because they're all Blacks. We know they don't see each other as equals.
Like the Civil Rights Movement? So whitey wasn't helping?
It was blacks who who pushed that through because as everyone knew back then, blacks had a ton of pull.
So on the issue of keeping your head buried in the sand do so if you wish.
Abolition of slavery?
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