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Old 07-07-2016, 07:09 PM
 
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Only Comey can interview Clinton.
You obviously did not listen to his testimony today. Rejoin the conversation after you do so.
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Old 07-07-2016, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Florida
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This entire thing left a bad taste in my mouth.

I listened to the majority of the hearing at work and on the way home. It seems to me that the issue with Comey isn't his integrity as much as it is his courage.

I take him at his word that he and his colleagues at the FBI decided against prosecuting Hillary without some backroom deals taking place. I do think that while they investigated Hillary thoroughly, and there's likely some tangential investigation going on as a result of this issue, the FBI likely had no intentions on recommending charges being brought against her.

It struck me that Comey talks about the various laws at play here as though they're rules and not laws. Rules are in place mainly to keep order and address contingencies as a result of the human capacity for error. No running at the pool. Must wear your badge at all time. No visiting porn on your work computer. And so on. Rules are important because they're supposed to keep order. If you break a rule, it's possible you could cause disorder. If you break a rule but nothing negative comes as a result of it, those tasked with creating the rules may give you a pass because of it, or, if they determine you had no intent on breaking the rules, they may reprimand you depending on the egregiousness of your violation.

Laws are different. Laws not only exist to keep order but also reflect particular values of those who put them in place. The saying goes, "rules are made to be broken", not "laws are made to be broken". You're taught from a young age: if you break the law, you go to jail.

Prosecutors have discretion in applying the law, and intent absolutely plays a part in determining the punishment for breaking the law, but it doesn't usually change whether the law was, in fact, broken. So if you violate federal statute on the handling of classified documents, the fact that you didn't mean to act with gross negligence might mean you get a fine and probation as opposed to a prison sentence. It doesn't mean you get to skip your happy ass back home with no consequences whatsoever.

Comey seems to view the statutes Hillary broke as rules to be enforced by those the government has direct jurisdiction over, as opposed to the law, which should govern everyone accordingly.

The other thing is, he mentioned a few times that he wanted to be fair to Hillary and not prosecute as the result of a celebrity witch hunt. Hillary is due the same consideration under the law as anyone else as it pertains to the up-or-down question of whether she broke the law. Hillary is not due the same consideration as anyone else as it pertains to prosecutorial discretion given she was a high-ranking official who received and handled plenty of classified information. Because Comey wouldn't necessarily prosecute some lowly government clerk under the same law if there are other penalties in place doesn't mean Hillary's deserving of a pass. There is no "cut 'em some slack" clause in federal law, as far as I know.

I don't really have anything against Hillary as a person or candidate, but I think she got away with breaking the law and should not be elected President. I don't care which party you belong to, partisanship and homerism stops once you take the oath of office. You should be held accountable for your actions regardless which party you belong to and which party is in the position to do it. The hearing was annoying because the Republicans wanted to ask pertinent questions about Comey's decision-making process -- they were generally tough, but fair -- while Democrats wanted to complain about the fact that they were having a hearing, take shots at Trump, or talk about extraneous topics.
Any higher up. should be held to a higher standard. Where much is given, much is required.
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Old 07-07-2016, 07:22 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Any higher up. should be held to a higher standard. Where much is given, much is required.


Exactly and any person in Clinton's Position, can't be this stupid with all her experience, but seems she is just that STUPID.


Common sense, don't think so, all her experience she talks about, yet she is naïve and stupid at the same time, bet she won't talk about that will she now.
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Old 07-07-2016, 07:26 PM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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Exactly and any person in Clinton's Position, can't be this stupid with all her experience, but seems she is just that STUPID.


Common sense, don't think so, all her experience she talks about, yet she is naïve and stupid at the same time, bet she won't talk about that will she now.

No way is she that stupid, she is just that big of a liar, and she knew all along that being part of The Capitol Hill Mafia, guaranteed that she would not be indicted!
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Old 07-07-2016, 07:30 PM
 
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Trying to reason with the left is like trying to reason with a drunk... it wont happen till the koolaid is out of their veins.
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Old 07-07-2016, 07:37 PM
 
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Doesn't anyone think that Coney gracefully threw Hillary under the bus!

I thought it was great to see and listen to his testimony and answers.

Comey under oath something the FBI didn't even requested from Hillary! Wow!

Maybe the next criminal should not take any oath as it doesn't seem to matter as lying to the FBI is a crime... oh my gosh... didn't Hillary contradict herself... doesn't that means she lied to the FBI!

Or did she lie to us the people... she can't be right by claiming two stories or is that the "Clinton way to the truth"!
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Old 07-07-2016, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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All the gnashing of teeth in the valley of tears.

Comey was quite clearly hostile to Clinton but an honest professional. He called it like he saw it but then bashed Clinton a couple of times because he could and wanted to.

Clinton was not "any" federal employee and personally controls the classification of documents for the State Dept. Fact. Comey has another agency, virtually certainly the CIA, who is claiming that a few sequence of documents created in the State Dept and communiicated there should have been heavily classified. But the CIA does not actually have the authority to overrule the SofS and never will.

And among the gnashing about our candidates we do not hear the trashing of major candidates for fantasy offensives being pointed out.

Clinton has taken a large hit on the issue of trustworthiness. But probably half or more of that is simply the sustained campaign by the right to smear her. But it appears it was not enough and she will still be President.

I personally believe the server thing was stupid. And shows Clinton needs some staff that does not just assist and kowtow but also looks after her performance. Clinton has repeatedly shown herself to be computer naive...and that is OK but she must have someone dealing with that stuff. She did not appear to...and it cost her. And hiring a suitable staff is the job of the executive.
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Old 07-07-2016, 07:52 PM
 
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All the gnashing of teeth in the valley of tears.

Comey was quite clearly hostile to Clinton but an honest professional. He called it like he saw it but then bashed Clinton a couple of times because he could and wanted to.

Clinton was not "any" federal employee and personally controls the classification of documents for the State Dept. Fact. Comey has another agency, virtually certainly the CIA, who is claiming that a few sequence of documents created in the State Dept and communiicated there should have been heavily classified. But the CIA does not actually have the authority to overrule the SofS and never will.

And among the gnashing about our candidates we do not hear the trashing of major candidates for fantasy offensives being pointed out.

Clinton has taken a large hit on the issue of trustworthiness. But probably half or more of that is simply the sustained campaign by the right to smear her. But it appears it was not enough and she will still be President.

I personally believe the server thing was stupid. And shows Clinton needs some staff that does not just assist and kowtow but also looks after her performance. Clinton has repeatedly shown herself to be computer naive...and that is OK but she must have someone dealing with that stuff. She did not appear to...and it cost her. And hiring a suitable staff is the job of the executive.
She will still be better than Obama if the electorate is dumb enough to elect her. Assuming that happens, she will lose handily to Rubio or Kasich in 2020.
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Old 07-07-2016, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Doesn't anyone think that Coney gracefully threw Hillary under the bus!

I thought it was great to see and listen to his testimony and answers.

Comey under oath something the FBI didn't even requested from Hillary! Wow!

Maybe the next criminal should not take any oath as it doesn't seem to matter as lying to the FBI is a crime... oh my gosh... didn't Hillary contradict herself... doesn't that means she lied to the FBI!

Or did she lie to us the people... she can't be right by claiming two stories or is that the "Clinton way to the truth"!
Comey was both critical of Clinton and very fair, you can read into his testimony what you want.


I don't know when the FBI director was ever called before congress to explain a single investigation, this must have been important as it was only 3 years ago.
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Old 07-07-2016, 07:58 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Again, I think everyone somehow missed:

Comey agreed, when presented with testimony given by Hillary to a Congressional hearing and comparing it to his findings, admitted that she appears to have perjured herself on at least three statements given to the Congressmen.

Comey stated clearly when asked properly, Hillary gave full access to all of her classified information on her server to those without any clearance at all. (her lawyers and others)

Comey said the only reason that he did not recommend charges of either perjury or illegally giving classified information to those without clearance is because "he wasn't asked" to take those very serious crimes into consideration in his investigation.

The Congressman from Utah, stated clearly that Congress would have those requests on his desk in a few hours...

From the direct testimony of Comey, Hillary is guilty of very serious crimes not even considered yet by the FBI unrelated to "mishandling" emails...

The show has just begun
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