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Old 02-17-2008, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Boise
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Why do we kiss the ass of one terrorist sponsoring nation but not the other. They're both oppresive fundamentalists Islamic states. They both have oil. Why the double standard?
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Old 02-17-2008, 09:58 PM
 
Location: South Central PA
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Because we can control Saudi Arabia enough for them to not threaten our oil shipments and let us have military bases, while Iranians wouldn't/won't allow that kind of capitulation.
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Old 02-17-2008, 10:00 PM
 
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OK. I guess it all goes back to the Shaw, Ayatollah mess.
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Old 02-17-2008, 10:09 PM
 
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Saudi Arabia says "all the right things". Saddam was a fluke---he 'taunted' the 'cowboy' for YEARS, and defied ultimatum after ultimatum until finally. "testosterone" kicked in and we "punched" him. But remember, it took YEARS to get to that point, and it wasn't EASY. He "dissed" us publically and spectacularly for years until we 'took the bait'.

Saudi Arabia is 'smooth'. Despite obvious 'dirty dealings', in public it's been hugs, smiles, and "hand-holding strolls" with our President. They are careful to say 'nice'. mild things'.

Another BIG factor, not often mentioned, is that despite Iraq's VERY secular government, the war THERE is often decried as a "war on Islam". Imagine the world-wide furor that would surely erupt, if we EVER set foot in anger on the hallowed soil of "The Kingdom" itself, ALL of which, every square foot, is "sacred ground". There would be no parallel in Western culture for the outrage that would follow. It isn't just a "muslim country", it's consecrated ground. BIG difference from Iraq.

SORRY--MISREAD "IRAN" as "IRAQ"....but will let this go, as SOME of the points are still valid... MY MISTAKE.
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Old 02-17-2008, 10:15 PM
 
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Saudi Arabia is basically a dictatorship run by a King and his family or the House of Saud whereas Iran despite all of it's issues is more "democratically" run. This of course frightens the Saudis since the Islamic revolutionaries from Iran (shia) would spread their message. The Saudis have a dispicable human rights record.
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Old 02-17-2008, 10:59 PM
 
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Why do we kiss the ass of one terrorist sponsoring nation but not the other. They're both oppresive fundamentalists Islamic states. They both have oil. Why the double standard?
What's this supposed to be, a trick question or something? You must not understand how our country works. The Saudi royal family and US oil executives--including our president--are business partners. The Iranians are their competitors. There's no double standard, it's business.
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Old 02-17-2008, 11:08 PM
 
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This of course frightens the Saudis since the Islamic revolutionaries from Iran (shia) would spread their message.
WRONG!! Ideology has very little to do with anything here. It's all about power and wealth. The part of Saudi Arabia were most of the oil fields lie have a majority Shiite population. If Iran--which has a dominant Shiite population--becomes a regional power, this could threaten revolution is Saudi Arabia in which the Shiites could control the oil fields and therefore transferring wealth from the hands of the house of Saud into the hands of the Shiites. Which would shift the balance of power in the Middle East, therefore threatening Western business interests.

It's not about ideology, it's about money.
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Old 02-17-2008, 11:11 PM
 
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Even though I have some Neoconservative leanings (the idea that Western nations can and should overthrow oppressive regimes when and where possible to spread liberal democracy), I am a Realist as well.

Truth be told is that as bad as Saudi Arabia is, it could be a lot worse. The only alternative powerful enough to replace the royal family are the Islamic fundamentalists. The fundamentalists think the House of Saud is too lax and permissive, they want an even harsher reign.

Saudi Arabia: There could be worse.

Iran: The worst has already happened.
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Old 02-18-2008, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Why do we kiss the ass of one terrorist sponsoring nation but not the other. They're both oppresive fundamentalists Islamic states. They both have oil. Why the double standard?
They have the most. We bought somewhere in the neighborhood of $30 billion worth of oil AND gave them $15 billion in arms over the last decade. And when they use those arms against us? We'll act very surprised.
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Old 02-18-2008, 06:39 AM
 
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Just one little word, which separates us from oblivion and life as we know it: oil. Just wondering which of the Trio is going to make a difference in our energy resources? None of the others have, nor will they, till it comes to global war for the stuff. Might be too late then. I am no religious person by far, but do love that verse in Hosea: "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge (wisdom)."
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