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Old 07-06-2016, 10:10 PM
 
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She is a proven liar. Does anyone believe her?
Do you actually believe any politician?
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Old 07-06-2016, 10:12 PM
 
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Why should college be free? I was paying off student loans into my 30s.

This is just more of the entitlement mentality.

How about free restaurants?

Nothing is free, someone is picking up the tab. Whose going to pay the salaries of faculty and staff, maintain the buildings, etc?
I bet Hillary thinks she is. How much dumber can she get......she seriously believes she is paying for this if SHE becomes President. Dumber than a box of rocks!
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Old 07-06-2016, 10:14 PM
 
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I'm not American, but isn't the U.S. supposed to be a place that encourages social mobility?

Provided that admission requirements are amended to increase the likelihood that applicants would be capable, dedicated and determined to succeed, proposals to make public universities tuition-free or more affordable seem rather reasonable.

How will an ambitious person from a lower socioeconomic background improve their circumstances when post-secondary education is inaccessible due to costs?
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Old 07-06-2016, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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If Hillary gets her way, you will be a part of the North American Union, and you won't be told what you have to pay in as taxes. You will be allocated what your allowed to keep, based on the "Needs" of Illegal Aliens and Imported Muslims, who will need some of your money to set up a house like yours, a car, and bring them up to your income level. Get ready for it. Open Borders, and sharing your income with not only the Lazy people here that don't want to work, as you already do, but be ready for Millions more to get a piece of your paycheck, IF you will be able to find a job.
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Old 07-06-2016, 10:36 PM
 
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What about limiting this to just trade schools? Those jobs are in-demand, and not everyone is suited for college or white collar jobs.
Now that is not a bad idea. You're a 100% right, not everyone is college material, this plan sounds like more will go to college and drop out after a year.

QUOTE=PedroMartinez;44669237]Free? As in the professors, administration, maintenance department and even the janitors will be working without pay?

Or does that mean the upper middle class gets the shaft once again?

The upper middle class will be paying for their own kids and everyone else's kids.

F Hillary and her "screw the upper middle class" politics.[/quote]

LOL...yes, they will all work without pay, after all it's for the entitlement generation.

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I'm not American, but isn't the U.S. supposed to be a place that encourages social mobility?

Provided that admission requirements are amended to increase the likelihood that applicants would be capable, dedicated and determined to succeed, proposals to make public universities tuition-free or more affordable seem rather reasonable.

How will an ambitious person from a lower socioeconomic background improve their circumstances when post-secondary education is inaccessible due to costs?
Lot's of people do this. Sonia Sotomayor is on the highest court in the land(The Supreme Court) was raised in a poor section of the Bronx and her father was an alcoholic who died when she was 9 years old.

But due to determination and cracking the books, got into Princeton University and graduated with honors.

The first Latino to be on the Supreme Court.

That's one example. You think only those who are born into wealth are successful? Many times those kids end up in trouble or don't amount to much, because everything was handed to them at a young age.
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Old 07-06-2016, 11:42 PM
 
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You think only those who are born into wealth are successful?
No, not at all. I don't deny that social mobility exists in the United States.

However, the correlation between a father's earnings and his son's earnings is stronger in the United States than it is in multiple other OECD countries (D'Addido 2007; OECD 2010, p. 185).

Americans also overestimate mobility (Kraus & Tan 2015; Creative Commons NC-ND 4.0).
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Old 07-06-2016, 11:48 PM
 
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some details on the plan from Clinton's website:
  • Every student should have the option to graduate from a public college or university in their state without taking on any student debt. Under Hillary’s plan, by 2021, families with income up to $125,000 will pay no tuition at in-state four-year public colleges and universities—covering more than 80 percent of all families. And from the start of the plan, every student from a family making $85,000 a year or less will be able to go to an in-state four-year public college or university without paying tuition. Students at community college will also pay no tuition.
  • Hillary will also restore year-round Pell Grant funding, so low- and middle-income students have the support they need to take the classes that will put them on the path to graduation throughout the year.
  • Students will do their part by contributing their earnings from working 10 hours a week.
  • Families will do their part by making an affordable and realistic family contribution.
  • The federal government will make a major investment in the New College Compact by providing grants to states that commit to these goals, and by cutting interest rates on loans.
  • States will have to step up and meet their obligation to invest in higher education by maintaining current levels of higher education funding and reinvesting over time.
  • Colleges and universities will be accountable for improving outcomes and controlling costs to ensure that tuition is affordable and that students who invest in college leave with a degree.
  • We will encourage innovators who design imaginative new ways of providing a valuable college education to students—while cracking down on abusive practices that burden students with debt without value.
  • A $25 billion fund will support HBCUs, HSIs, and other MSIs serving a high percentage of Pell Grant recipients to help lower the cost of attendance and improve student outcomes at low-cost, modest-endowment nonprofit private schools.
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Old 07-06-2016, 11:49 PM
 
Location: England
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She is a proven liar. Does anyone believe her?
Well no one believes anything Donald Trump says, well some naive muppets might I suppose, the man is a well proven pathological liar, bigot and world class fraud, that's why he's going to lose.

And most of the GOP believe he's going to lose as well.
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Old 07-07-2016, 12:20 AM
 
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Free? As in the professors, administration, maintenance department and even the janitors will be working without pay?

Or does that mean the upper middle class gets the shaft once again?

The upper middle class will be paying for their own kids and everyone else's kids.

F Hillary and her "screw the upper middle class" politics.
Free tuition doesn't mean people work for free. There is no tuition to public high schools, yet everyone working at public high schools are paid employees.

The upper middle class would also be able to take advantage of sending their children to free public universities, just like they send them to free public high schools.
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Old 07-07-2016, 12:29 AM
 
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Let's go ahead and lay out everything. For all citizens we need:

- guaranteed minimum income
- free college
- free healthcare
- free food
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