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Go back to your own quote. Own up to what YOU said. Don't bring others into it.
I said it, and it was a figure of speech...trying to show that you need to listen to the officer. I guess I need to be a little more literal for some...
Who said that they're connected. Everyone understands that they're two separate cases.
That said, the one in Baton Rouge STILL gets my goat. I don't care if he was a felon or that he had an illegal gun. The gun was in his pocket, the owner of the store liked him and as a character witness has said that he was a good guy that had his permission to sell his wares. He also said that he saw an execution.
So no, some of us aren't gonna let up on the Louisiana case just because his weapon wasn't registered. Hell no. I want answers. I'm with BLM until I find a reason not to be.
I would rather you be with reasonable people asking reasonable questions.... rather than "Being with BLM"
your questions above are reasonable. I don't even have to agree to recognize they are reasonable.
but being with BLM? that's no different from someone like me saying im with the "kill'em all" crowd.
I've only been ticketed twice, but I've never told the officer I'm carrying. Why? Because I'm not legally required to in my state, and because it complicates things. Some officers are cool with it (and may even let you off on a warning), but others will insist on you getting out of the vehicle, disarming, and checking the gun.
I support law enforcement most of the time, but this whole attitude of "just do what they say" sounds a little too familiar to events that occurred in the 1940s.
It's the law in my state. Not much I can do about that.
We do not know if the officer freaked out other than his emotion after the shooting. I'm not going to judge that anymore than judging the girlfriends apparent lack of emotion while she continued to live stream. Both were traumatized and people react differently to trauma.
All we know is something went terribly wrong. Whether it was miscommunication or failure to give clear orders or failure to follow them. Beyond that it has not been established if there was a failure of communication/compliance who was at fault. Wait for the investigation.
Nope. I'm not waiting on an investigation. Forget it.
Blacks have been told that their gun rights are as valid as any white man's. So a black man gets a weapon legally, and he gets killed.
Nah...EFF THAT! Forget the investigation. I want a head on a pike, and that officer needs to get his neck ready for a saw.
Please note, I am not making any inference as to Mr. Castile's actions.
I do believe that even if Mr. Castile reached for something and the police responded appropriately based on his training, that a different outcome could have been arrived at, where both the police officer and Mr. Castile went home safely had the training included de-escalation practices..
That's a good point. I wonder what the threshold is for deadly force vs de-escalation. This is sort of a tangent, but a officer wouldn't shoot at a suicidal person holding gun to their head, because there is a lower threat to the officer. So if an officer happens to see a butt of gun in the middle compartment area of a car, not in the hands of the citizen, how are they trained to handle that? And I wonder if there is a federal standard or is it determined by municipality.
I would rather you be with reasonable people asking reasonable questions.... rather than "Being with BLM"
your questions above are reasonable. I don't even have to agree to recognize they are reasonable.
but being with BLM? that's no different from someone like me saying im with the "kill'em all" crowd.
No man, not this time. I've been pretty cool and conciliatory about all these cop shootings up to now. Look up the threads. I've always been measured, and in person, I've even tried to get my own people to see things from the cop's side.
Not now. I've had it. I'm with my people on this. What happened in Minnesota has changed how I felt about this issue up to now. I'm not buying the excuses for LEO anymore.
You don't think cops make up something to pull people over? He walked up and told them they were being stopped for a broken tail light. He's the liar, and I don't have a problem with that. If cops are looking for a robber and they want to get a closer look at a driver, fine.
I'm not sure what "busset" is either, I was quoting the stoner chick. Do you have video (or audio) of the officer saying that the stop was for a broken tail light? Seems like an odd thing for him to claim, since it was obviously not true and would have voided any evidence found in the stop.
Thank you for providing the link to the proof of the CCW-first I've actually seen that.
To be clear-I'm not saying the cop was in the right-at this point we DON'T KNOW. We have one rather far-fetched side of the story, with nothing to support it.
No man, not this time. I've been pretty cool and conciliatory about all these cop shootings up to now. Look up the threads. I've always been measured, and in person, I've even tried to get my own people to see things from the cop's side.
Not now. I've had it. I'm with my people on this. What happened in Minnesota has changed how I felt about this issue up to now. I'm not buying the excuses for LEO anymore.
im sorry. I cant say I understand because I don't... haven't walked in your shoes. I do want to find some way forward that works...
That's a good point. I wonder what the threshold is for deadly force vs de-escalation. This is sort of a tangent, but a officer wouldn't shoot at a suicidal person holding gun to their head, because there is a lower threat to the officer. So if an officer happens to see a butt of gun in the middle compartment area of a car, not in the hands of the citizen, how are they trained to handle that? And I wonder if there is a federal standard or is it determined by municipality.
Pretty sure this is a jurisdiction standard or at highest state level. that makes since (at least from my perspective)
the federal level generally focuses on civil rights.
I don't see it as a panacea but de-escalation training might be a good rally point for all of us.
It seems to be working in a way that protects both the police and the people they engage with. That is what we all want. less dead people. period.
I am by no means on the side that suggests there is a terrible plague going on. there are thousands of police jurisdictions across this country and less than 250 unarmed people were shot by the police last year. that is all races not just black people. and many of those were justified based on policy, procedure, training and law.
BUT every single time someone dies its a bad thing and we ought to all be able to agree that if we can find ways that protect the police AND the people they engage during the course of their job, that is a very good thing.
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