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Because it is an erosion of religious freedom (and just freedom in general) that can easily extend to a tichel or kippah. For instance, women are barred from wearing any kind of headscarf in Bosnian judiciary buildings. While it disproportional impacts Muslim women, that would leave out observant, married Jewish women as well.
Furthermore, just because there isn't an equivalent in Judaism doesn't mean we can't stand up and show up.
nonsense!
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Originally Posted by Northeastah
As the French say...
facial coverings "prevent the clear identification of a person, which is both a security risk, and a social hindrance within a society which relies on facial recognition and expression in communication. The key argument against the ban is that it encroaches on individual freedoms"
This measure is disgusting and disrespectful to the many Muslim feminists I know who choose to cover. It is also disrespectful toward Orthodox Jewish women who choose to cover and women of any religious organization who find meaning in dressing as they see fit.
You cannot support this and also claim to support freedom. Freedom includes choosing how to dress.
Sure you can support "Freedom" and restrict how people dress if you cover your face doing it. Covering your face is a Security problem, because only Criminals or those with bad intentions do that. If you live here, your Freedom" comes at a price, and that price is to respect our Laws and Customs. What would you want next? The "Freedom" to stone Gay folks? Get real.
So, following that logic, what other non-standard clothing choices can we regulate? Facial piercings aren't standard. Tattoos are more common now, but still not standard. I personally think tank tops are unattractive and awful to have to look at - could we outlaw them in the interest of saving people from poor clothing choices?
Banning a religious clothing item is not compatible with religious freedom, and forcing someone who feels it is her religious duty to cover to take off the veil is not going to make it more likely she will integrate, just as wearing a veil does not necessarily mean the woman doesn't feel herself to be integrated. This is a terrible idea born out of fear that will not have the results the Swiss purport to want.
I think they made a wise decision, especially in todays climate of Islamic Terrorism. If the Muslims don't like it, they can always go back to where they came from, and cover their faces 24-7.
Where are these ultra-orthodox Jewish sects that dress like that located?
Hasidic Jews in this country don't dress like that. Both the men and the women dress very conservatively and the women don't cover their faces at all.
I live in a town with many Hasidic Jews and I wondered the same thing. I've watched them walking to Synagogue for years. They're not all covered up, just dressed more modestly in dark colors.
I repeat, where did I mention Jewish women wearing a burqa? That was my question and you failed to answer it.
Friends and family cover their hair when they get married, and cover to their elbows and knees (and, in a few cases, wrists and ankles) due to their interpretation of Torah. I do not share that interpretation, but they are free to dress as they choose. Similarly, I do not see justification for the burqa in the Qu'ran, but they are free to dress as they choose. If we restrict a group of people to wear their religious garb, that's an affront to all who wear religious attire that may be asynchronous with modern life. Plenty of people have issue with head coverings of all type - including a tichel or kippah.
I do not agree with removing others' rights because of your discomfort. A burqa isn't hurting you any more than a trench coat or a backpack.
I don't agree. I wouldn't compare a trench coat or backpack to the burka. I would compare the robes of the KKK though.
The burka and the KKK white robe and hat symbolize an ideology of hate which has hurt and killed thousands of people. I think both symbolize a lack of tolerance in society today beyond what is healthy. They both symbolize oppression and hate.
If you're wearing a burka it means you agree with harming a certain portion of society, just like a KKK robe does. Where them at home, but keep them out of the public square.
We have been forced to reduce what we tolerate for public safety now. A portion of that mistrust comes from terror. It is what it is.
Interesting how those from western societies who claim they care about women's rights
chose to primarily target their discrimination at Muslim women and not Muslim men!
why? because a Muslim man actually look like anybody else. he can be white (think Turkish or Bosnian or Russian)
people need to come up with a better way to target those whom they don't like.
Don't worry. In case you haven't noticed, Muslim Men are not liked any better than Muslim women. That should be evident to you by now. Americans and everyone else in the World, know that an Islamic Terrorist can be a man or a woman, so your analogy that "men" are disliked or not trusted more, is absolutely false. There is NO trust, man, or woman, so its equality.
I don't agree. I wouldn't compare a trench coat or backpack to the burka. I would compare the robes of the KKK though.
The burka and the KKK white robe and hat symbolize an ideology of hate which has hurt and killed thousands of people. I think both symbolize a lack of tolerance in society today beyond what is healthy. They both symbolize oppression and hate.
If you're wearing a burka it means you agree with harming a certain portion of society, just like a KKK robe does. Where them at home, but keep them out of the public square.
We have been forced to reduce what we tolerate for public safety now. A portion of that mistrust comes from terror. It is what it is.
I don't believe a burqa means you agree with harming society. I do believe it's oppressive, puritanical, misogynistic and doesn't belong in a western culture.
I live in a town with many Hasidic Jews and I wondered the same thing. I've watched them walking to Synagogue for years. They're not all covered up, just dressed more modestly in dark colors.
Like I said, smoke and mirrors.
When the fundamentalist Jews start killing large numbers of people then we'd have the same issue. KKK(Fundi Christian) Islamist(Fundi Muslims) have killed a lot of people in the name of their God. Big Difference. It's only logical that civility would be tied to attire in these situations.
So, following that logic, what other non-standard clothing choices can we regulate? Facial piercings aren't standard. Tattoos are more common now, but still not standard. I personally think tank tops are unattractive and awful to have to look at - could we outlaw them in the interest of saving people from poor clothing choices?
Banning a religious clothing item is not compatible with religious freedom, and forcing someone who feels it is her religious duty to cover to take off the veil is not going to make it more likely she will integrate, just as wearing a veil does not necessarily mean the woman doesn't feel herself to be integrated. This is a terrible idea born out of fear that will not have the results the Swiss purport to want.
Religion is something you can practice quietly in the freedom of your own home instead of out in public.
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