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Old 07-16-2016, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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.....between police and community!

Once upon a time, while not perfect, there were community policing initiatives, where the beat cops were on the street, and both police and communities knew each other. But, from my observations, some bad things happened.

Departments thought with increasing crime in the late 80s/early 90s (crack epidemic, drug wars), they had to be more aggressive with the policing (militaristic, stop and frisk), and in a lot of instances, got too zealous. Communities broke down due to these same drug crises. And with it, goes the relationships between police and communities. Add to that a whole generation of folk (both officers and community) who didn't grow up on community policing initiatives; who didn't know what a good relationship was between police and community. Now, a whole new generation on both sides have a genuine mistrust of each other.

Results: 1) situations where officers shoot drivers despite being compliant. (Minnesota) 2) situations where young folk in communities think they can mouth off at a cop, or better yet, go after them! (I actually saw on film, last year, a high school riot in Brooklyn where the police tried to store order, and a kid tried to physically wrestle with a cop!)

It is my understanding that before the tragedy, this week, community initiatives did work in Dallas. I also saw a write up in the Times on Newark, where its mayor took a very pragmatic approach in this issue. (folk thought Ras Baraka, when elected, was gonna engage in 'revolution politics' like his late poet/activist father!). Otherwise, relationships all over have broken down!

Don't get me wrong. It was far from perfect back in the day. But I've never seen the relationship between police and community this bad.

 
Old 07-16-2016, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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Originally Posted by scatman View Post
.....between police and community!

Once upon a time, while not perfect, there were community policing initiatives, where the beat cops were on the street, and both police and communities knew each other. But, from my observations, some bad things happened.

Departments thought with increasing crime in the late 80s/early 90s (crack epidemic, drug wars), they had to be more aggressive with the policing (militaristic, stop and frisk), and in a lot of instances, got too zealous. Communities broke down due to these same drug crises. And with it, goes the relationships between police and communities. Add to that a whole generation of folk (both officers and community) who didn't grow up on community policing initiatives; who didn't know what a good relationship was between police and community. Now, a whole new generation on both sides have a genuine mistrust of each other.

Results: 1) situations where officers shoot drivers despite being compliant. (Minnesota) 2) situations where young folk in communities think they can mouth off at a cop, or better yet, go after them! (I actually saw on film, last year, a high school riot in Brooklyn where the police tried to store order, and a kid tried to physically wrestle with a cop!)

It is my understanding that before the tragedy, this week, community initiatives did work in Dallas. I also saw a write up in the Times on Newark, where its mayor took a very pragmatic approach in this issue. (folk thought Ras Baraka, when elected, was gonna engage in 'revolution politics' like his late poet/activist father!). Otherwise, relationships all over have broken down!

Don't get me wrong. It was far from perfect back in the day. But I've never seen the relationship between police and community this bad.
No one has any idea of if Philando Castile was compliant or not. So that's a bad example.
 
Old 07-16-2016, 09:26 AM
 
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Spot on post scatman!

Regardless if Philando was or wasn't the perfect textbook example is irrelevant to the point made.
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