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The cops do take advantage or abuse the civil forfeiture laws, but as with much of what they get blamed for, the permission, orders, wink & nod, come from above.
Absolutely. On top of that, the very people many of the protesters vote for. I do not understand that.
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Practically anything is 'part of the bigger argument.' When BLM and others start protesting, blocking highways, disrupting speeches, etc., over an unjust forfeiture, I'll take that as a serious concern for them.
You seem to agree that it's wrong so why are you not protesting it? Do you understand that those who understand a problem but are not willing to do anything about it are also a part of the problem?
This is a completely idiotic statement from Obama. First, each shooting is not a failure. Each case has to be decided all on its own. Being charged convicted and sentenced by the media is not a finding of guilt or innocence. Just like in Baltimore and Ferguson, the vast majority, ie, almost all of them are justified shootings. The just declared not guilty the 4th policeman in Baltimore.
Even if the police apologized all over the place, that does not mean that BLM and their supporters are going to stop killing. As long as the media blow these shooting incidents up to something they are not, they're going to make some black people mad, and the attacks and killings of police and other white people will continue.
This is a completely idiotic statement from Obama. First, each shooting is not a failure. Each case has to be decided all on its own. Being charged convicted and sentenced by the media is not a finding of guilt or innocence. Just like in Baltimore and Ferguson, the vast majority, ie, almost all of them are justified shootings.
Baltimore wasn't a shooting. If I break a rule put in place at work for safety reasons and someone even gets hurt, including myself, I know I will be fired. No questions about it.
Police officers will continue to get excuses made for them.
The cops do take advantage or abuse the civil forfeiture laws, but as with much of what they get blamed for, the permission, orders, wink & nod, come from above.
Practically anything is 'part of the bigger argument.' When BLM and others start protesting, blocking highways, disrupting speeches, etc., over an unjust forfeiture, I'll take that as a serious concern for them.
How many times have you been.subjrcted to civil forfeiture laws?
I've done it once in theory years as a patrol officer... A illegal immigrant in a hotel room with 250k in a suitcase that he claimed was not his and signed a relinquishment for?
He was a drug dealer
Why shouldn't the world recover the costs of the death and misery he heals upon the world...
Not everyone is so Lilly white innocent....don't you think?
I do realize anecdotal examples are not indicative of the whole. They are nothing more than one example.
A few years ago on Jan 1st my daughter calls me and says something bad happened. That she had been stopped the night before and charged with DUI but she swore up and down she was not drunk. She says she went to a New Years party, had a couple drinks and quit, staying there until she was sure she was O.K. to be driving (she was stopped at like 3 in the morning.
She told me the story.......she passed ALL field sobriety tests. (The officer even swore to this in court). He said she only needed to do a breath test. My daughter has Alpha-1 Antitrypsin Deficiency.
She does not have full lung capacity. She could not blow enough air to register. She explained her disease and showed the officer her inhaler that she has with her at all times. He made her use it and try again. Still no good. So he takes her to the police station. (If you really are a police officer you should be able to guess the story from here). Two more intakes from the inhaler and she blow a .8. The legal limit is .8 Again, you should know the problem here. (for the rest I will get to it).
He arrests her and allows her to call someone to come get her. (mistake #2). I do some research and it's plain as day that her inhaler will make for a false reading. I look up the law and it clearly states that an officer has to wait at least 1/2 hour before administering a test.
She calls a lawyer. He tells her $1000. She doesn't have an extra $1000. I would have gave it to her but in my mind the law is clear. We shouldn't need a lawyer. So we go. The prosecutors representative says she must spend a night in jail since she didn't the night she was arrested. We said she didn't understand, we were fighting it. So we get to go before the magistrate. What I just said is repeated to the magistrate. Neither side disagree's on what happened. (my daughter even agreed she was driving over the speed limit and wasnt fighting that).
Now I am still not 100% clear on this part of the law but the magistrate was pissed after we were done. She told the officer to read the law to her. He did some administrative aspect wrong. He was a detective working New Years overtime, not a regular street officer. He started to argue where she cut him off and asked him if he wanted her to make it read it to her again.
She then noted that she was asthmatic and he as an officer had to know the proper procedure there. She threw the charges out. Now......I will note that I am more upset with the prosecutors officer. I believe the officer thought he was doing his job. The prosecutors office knew this was a bogus charge. Their job is to enforce the law NOT find for guilt no matter what.
Anyway, after we were done I told the magistrate that I appreciated what she did. She told me that a lawyer would have had the charges dropped with one phone call. So, if my daughter had $1000 to throw away, one phone call would have saved her the trouble. Since she didn't the prosecutor decided to try and prosecute her anyway knowing full well it was a bogus charge.
Many if not most would have simply had to plead guilty if they did not have $1000 laying around. While anecdotal I do not believe this example to be rare.
Ok..so..she was a drunk driver at the time but got off on a technicality?
Some of what you said is incorrect...but ultimately justice was served..she wasn't on the road to kill anyone..you have your daughter..she was found innocent...
Btw .there is no thirty minute requirement ..not sure where that came from..unless she was puking... and that's more for breathalyzer cleanliness than case law... we can also release any intoxicated person to another who is able to care for their health and safety... It's that or the drunk tank...
Perhaps she won't drink and drive again already having health issues?
Sounds to me like the detective handled this like any other reasonable person would... If people have real or fake conditions the law still applies. More often than not drunk drivers play all manner of games while blowing... your daughter was the .0001 percent that had some other condition that affected her ability to complete a legally required test...
If the officer suspected health issues he could have gone for blood . Which would have tied him up for an entire shift..but no matter as she completed the breath test showing she was dui ..did i get that correct? I mean..are you contesting the scientific results?... are you saying they were fraudulent?...which in my opinion based upon modern calibrated evidentiary machines is nearly impossible... I guess you could pour grain alcohol down the tube..but even that would register a false test and be logged as such in a locked and secure database the deyecyibmve would have no access to..
3am prime drunk driver time
Female...pretty much one drink one hour...any more is a impairment...or dui.
Your lucky the call wasn't from the morgue
Hopefully she learned a life lesson without hurting or killing herself or others.
A smart person would look to not allow this again instead of pointing out mistakes made by others for their own abhorrent behavior
The only failure I see here is a failure to be a sober driver.
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How many times have you been.subjrcted to civil forfeiture laws?
What difference does that make? Are you trying to argue it isn't done?
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I've done it once in theory years as a patrol officer... A illegal immigrant in a hotel room with 250k in a suitcase that he claimed was not his and signed a relinquishment for?
He was a drug dealer
Why shouldn't the world recover the costs of the death and misery he heals upon the world...
Not everyone is so Lilly white innocent....don't you think?
Why, because it goes against the entire idea of our country of innocent until proven guilty. You are clearly showing a large portion of the problem just like the police chief in Cleveland. Screw civil rights. He doesn't care as it seems you do not either.
How many times have you been.subjrcted to civil forfeiture laws?
I've done it once in theory years as a patrol officer... A illegal immigrant in a hotel room with 250k in a suitcase that he claimed was not his and signed a relinquishment for?
He was a drug dealer
Why shouldn't the world recover the costs of the death and misery he heals upon the world...
Not everyone is so Lilly white innocent....don't you think?
Discussing civil forfeiture laws would take this thread way off-topic. I'll just say I hope you're enjoying the 'forfeited' snazzy car and flat screen tv given to you as retirement gifts
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