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Old 07-18-2016, 05:01 PM
 
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Two teenagers were drinking in Chicopee, Mass., Saturday afternoon when they set off to find a friend, according to authorities. Whether it was the booze or the sheer similarity of the neighborhood’s low-slung homes, the teens somehow ended up at the wrong house.

One of the teenagers, a 15-year-old boy, banged on the door.

Suddenly, a gunshot rang out from inside the house, and the boy slumped on the porch with a bullet to his belly.

The boy died at a hospital. He has not yet been identified.

The homeowner, 42-year-old Jeffrey Lovell, was arrested and charged with murder, according to the Chicopee Police Department.

Police said they were called to the house at 12:56 p.m. for a report of a breaking and entering, which suggests Lovell might have thought he was being robbed. It is unclear, however, if he was the person to call police.


“Upon arrival, our officers found a juvenile male, shot in the abdomen area,” police said. “This victim was outside the residence. Our officers began emergency medical care, and he was immediately transported to Baystate Medical Center” but did not survive.

Authorities said they were waiting to contact the dead teenager’s family before releasing his name.

Lovell’s arrest stirred debate on social media about his decision to open fire.

Many pointed out that Massachusetts does not provide as wide protection for homeowners as other states. Massachusetts law states an occupant of a dwelling must act “in the reasonable belief that the person unlawfully in said dwelling was about to inflict great bodily injury or death upon said occupant or upon another person lawfully in said dwelling, and that said occupant used reasonable means to defend himself or such other person lawfully in said dwelling.”


You think This gonna be a tricky one in court?





https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...sed-of-murder/
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Old 07-18-2016, 05:05 PM
 
Location: louisville
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Seems pretty straightforward with how the law is explained in the article... although I'm not familiar with all the nuances of MS Law.

In my state, the homeowner would be charged as well.
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Old 07-18-2016, 05:10 PM
 
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You can't just shoot people outside on your property. It's scary to believe someone is breaking in your home but you need to let it actually happen before you go shooting at them.
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Old 07-18-2016, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Oh, okay. So the thread title should have said that he banged on the door, and not that he knocked on the door.

Notwithstanding the OP's attempt to misstate facts in order to evoke an emotional and outraged response....I would've called the police.
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Old 07-18-2016, 05:15 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Also, while banging on the door and window was broken per the article.


Dumb for the homeowner but almost understandable if one follows how daytime home break-ins are carried out.
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Old 07-18-2016, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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You think This gonna be a tricky one in court?
Assuming those details are accurate it shouldn't be tricky and he'll be convicted and sent to prison.

Maybe he'll try telling the court that VP Biden (D) said he should do it. After all no one knows more about firearms than a liberal democrat.

The F&S Gun Rights Interviews: Joe Biden, Vice President of the United States | Field & Stream

you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.
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Old 07-18-2016, 05:18 PM
 
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The story sounds sketchy. I'd bet the farm there's a whole lot more to the story. The media is known, beyond a shadow of a doubt, to lie, especially about anything to do with guns.


I'm not buying it.


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Also, while banging on the door and window was broken per the article.


Dumb for the homeowner but almost understandable if one follows how daytime home break-ins are carried out.
So you're saying he banged on the window hard enough to break it?


See..............this is what I mean. The title of this stupid thread is an outright lie and the whole thing should be sent to the delete bin. It's a teaser title much like find on trash like Enquirer, HuffPo, Salon, etc. Just plain outright false.
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Old 07-18-2016, 05:19 PM
 
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It's scary to think somebody is breaking in your house. But you can't just shoot people because you think they are. Too many variable.
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Old 07-18-2016, 05:19 PM
 
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One could argue the same as in so many cases that he "felt" threatened. I do not agree with the standard of simply "feeling" threatened.

Someone driving away in a car is not threatening you, someone simply knocking on your door is not threatening you. I do not know the proper charge here but no, it's not acceptable what he did.
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Old 07-18-2016, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The story sounds sketchy. I'd bet the farm there's a whole lot more to the story. The media is known, beyond a shadow of a doubt, to lie, especially about anything to do with guns.


I'm not buying it.
I'm in shock
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