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Old 07-24-2016, 01:58 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Seacove View Post
So very true.

I think the availability of video has changed so much of what we see. When I saw the way that officer treated Sandra Bland, I was in shock. What about that officer that casually dropped his taser by the body of a dying man?

Here, we see an autistic man who truly seems more fascinated by a toy truck than any of the shouting going on around him. Either they shot the black caregiver with his hands up or they shot an autistic man that clearly looks distracted by a toy and does not seem to be threatening whatsoever. And they handcuffed the guy they shot while later saying they were keeping him safe???
Well if you think about it, if the guy that had been shot had been able to access a gun he would have been in within his rights to have shot back at the cop.

You do have a right to protect yourself.

 
Old 07-24-2016, 03:51 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Thomas Matthews, 73, the property manager of a corner food store on the street where Kinsey was shot, said he watched the incident unfold through a pair of binoculars.
Matthews said Kinsey and the man with autism often stop by his store to buy candy and juices. “They are always laughing and talking,” Matthews said. He said he saw a female officer with her gun drawn, following a male officer who pulled a rifle out of his car, and tried to alert her.
“With the binoculars I could see the toy truck in the autistic kid’s hand,” Matthews said Thursday. “I tried to tell the female officer, but she barked at me to get back.”
Matthews said he then saw the male officer raise the rifle and shoot three times.

So, the SWAT "sniper" (ROFLMAO) tries to shoot the autistic person "armed" with the toy car, but misses not once but three times. However he does manage to shoot the guy on the ground with his hands up, that, he claims, was the intended victim of the person armed with the toy car. And then, after shooting him he handcuffs him and leaves him laying on the ground for 20 minutes.

It's just a damn good thing that there weren't any of the "bad cops" there! Who knows what would've happened!

Gangsters with cop-costumes terrorizing America....as usual.
With the military hardware cops are equipped with these days you'd think they could afford to equip the officers with binoculars so they could tell the difference between a gun and a toy truck. Like maybe take a few seconds to scope out the situation before they open fire.
 
Old 07-24-2016, 08:27 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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There is nothing in the Constitution that restricts the firing of police officers any more than anyone else.
Yes, there is.
Please read Loudermill v Cleveland Board of Education.
Public employees have a property right to continued employment, and firing them without due process of law, including the ability to correct action, is a violation of the constitution. What you are proposing is unconstitutional.
Again, what you are proposing... is unconstitutional.
You must follow due process of law for a public employee, you cannot simply terminate them.

(Also, all of this is why there is a specific exception in the fifth amendment for similar situations with the military, but not other public employees.)
 
Old 07-25-2016, 03:37 AM
 
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Yes, there is.
Please read Loudermill v Cleveland Board of Education.
Public employees have a property right to continued employment, and firing them without due process of law, including the ability to correct action, is a violation of the constitution. What you are proposing is unconstitutional.
Again, what you are proposing... is unconstitutional.
You must follow due process of law for a public employee, you cannot simply terminate them.

(Also, all of this is why there is a specific exception in the fifth amendment for similar situations with the military, but not other public employees.)
Loudermill v Cleveland Board of Education is about an Ohio Statute.
 
Old 07-25-2016, 03:45 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Officers responded to the scene Monday to find 47-year-old Charles Kinsey, a therapist who works with people with disabilities, according to WSVN-TV (Video shows moments before North Miami Police shot unarmed man – WSVN 7News | Miami News, Weather, Sports | Fort Lauderdale), trying to get his 27-year-old patient back to a facility from where he wandered.

Cuevas says police ordered Kinsey and the patient, who was sitting in the street playing with a toy truck, to lie on the ground. Kinsey lies down and puts his hands up while trying to get his patient to comply. An officer then fired three times, striking Kinsey in the leg, Cuevas said. No weapon was found.



Another carless cop.....?


Police Shoot Autistic Man's Caretaker as He Lies in Street - ABC News





Yeah, but he was coming right for them!


And as for all you diabetics out there who are thinking about letting your blood sugar go low, just remember, if you cannot comply with a police officers commands because you are somewhere between conscious and unconscious, cops will shoot to kill and ask questions later.


Then, after they ask the questions, the officers involved will be cleared of all wrong doing by other cops.
 
Old 07-25-2016, 06:12 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Loudermill v Cleveland Board of Education is about an Ohio Statute.
That was overruled because of the 5th and 14th amendments, on the basis that continued employment as a public employee is a property right than cannot be taken away without due process of law.
 
Old 07-25-2016, 06:19 AM
 
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That was overruled because of the 5th and 14th amendments, on the basis that continued employment as a public employee is a property right than cannot be taken away without due process of law.
No...the statute made it so. Otherwise the 5th and the 14th applies to everyone. Not just civil servants.
 
Old 07-25-2016, 09:15 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Loudermill v Cleveland Board of Education is about an Ohio Statute.
It was a SCOTUS decision. That makes due process applicable in the whole country. Civics 101.

Part of the ruling said:

certain public-sector employees can have a property interest in their employment, per Constitutional Due Process. See Board of Regents v. Roth
 
Old 07-25-2016, 09:25 AM
 
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It was a SCOTUS decision. That makes due process applicable in the whole country. Civics 101.

Part of the ruling said:

certain public-sector employees can have a property interest in their employment, per Constitutional Due Process. See Board of Regents v. Roth
They can. When granted by state statute. Anyone could. They could grant it to McDonalds employees if they wish.
 
Old 07-25-2016, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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Where are all the police brutality apologist at?
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