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Old 08-07-2016, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Historically slavery was an alternative to the wholesale slaughter of people following a victorious battle or conquest. The losing party would be executed as it is expensive to maintain prisoners. Slavery provided an alternative to wholesale execution as the captured would be sold and proceeds used as a bounty/bonus for the winning army.

It is no big deal if that is how you are raised and accept those values. Humans long considered biological machines alongside draft animals before they were seen as unique as you and I view them.
That's a disgusting sentiment.
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Old 08-07-2016, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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If so it is only because black people refuse to move forward. Slavery is not something I have ever been concerned about. When a person is freed you would think they would at least be supporting themselves. My parents started as sharecroppers and ended up with 170 acres of land. Lots of people start with nothing and succeed. However it does require hard work and not waiting on handouts. You see, I have first hand knowledge of what goes on today. Fuss and complain and harp on how your ancestors were slaves.
How many threads have we had about Southerners (mostly) who want to continue to glorify the Confederacy through the flying of various iterations of the Confederate flag?

How many threads have we had about Southerners (mostly) who want to continue to glorify the rebel states with their statues of their generals and Jefferson Davis.

Do you celebrate the 4th Of July? That commemorates the adoption of the Declaration of Independence 240 years ago in 1776.

Do you celebrate Christmas? That commemorates the birth of a child that took place 2,016 years ago.


Additionally, it isn't just about slavery. It's about slavery being indicative of an historical (and present) pattern of the way many Americans look at Blacks (and for that matter, other minorities).

And yet you pine that "it is only because black people refuse to move forward".
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Old 08-07-2016, 10:17 AM
 
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Letting them work?????????????????????????????????????????????
This might be hard for you to understand, but back then work was a virtue and something to be respected.

I know your brain has been warped by revisionist history that makes you believe every single slave was captured by evil white men and treated horribly by evil white people when they arrived here.

When pretty much the opposite was much more the typical case.
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Old 08-07-2016, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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The reason why I think the American Civil War still matters is because the past continues to shape the future. This is true both on the individual level & on the society level.

The United States of America began with a contradiction when it came to liberty. This historical fact has an impact on the present day. It would be nice to think this isn't true but it would be necessary to put on present day blinders to cover your eyes & to ignore the 'blind spots' when looking back.

Mrs. Obama refuses to do so:



Mr. O'Reilly chose to present his politically correct interpretation.

Personally, my long story short interpretation of that section of Mrs. Obama's speech is, 'The price of liberty is eternal vigilance'.

This Country has come a long way in seeking to resolve that original contradiction. Americans can be proud but it doesn't make sense to forget how we got here to this present moment. Black Americans, more so than White Americans, have cause for eternal vigilance. Mrs. Obama recognized not only the progress that's been made but the deep resistance all along the way from bondage, servitude & segregation. & she could've said much more but she focused on the strength inherent in a people who choose to keep striving.

In the introduction to his essay toward a history of the part which Black folks played in the attempt to reconstruct democracy in America, W.E.B. Dubois describes two types of readers. Even though it was written in 1934, Mr. Dubois' description is still accurate:

https://archive.org/stream/blackreco...0dubo_djvu.txt
The section I bolded -- best post on the thread.
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Old 08-07-2016, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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This might be hard for you to understand, but back then work was a virtue and something to be respected.

I know your brain has been warped by revisionist history that makes you believe every single slave was captured by evil white men and treated horribly by evil white people when they arrived here.

When pretty much the opposite was much more the typical case.
Slave holders didn't "let them work", but sometimes they worked them to death.
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Old 08-07-2016, 10:20 AM
 
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The section I bolded -- best post on the thread.
The future is something you might not like very much, in fact it might be something you should be in terror of. That is where all this divisive GARBAGE is leading us.
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Old 08-07-2016, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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That's a disgusting sentiment.
Historically accurate for the people in the period in question. Read and try to understand the entire sentence next time rather than a fragment.

A person can view and understand history through those who lived it or by transplanting their own values to the past. One is realism and the other is fantasy.

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Old 08-07-2016, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Hyde Park, Los Angeles
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This is the truth. Some residents of these very troubled places we have seen in the news lately blame everything from slavery, jim crow and police profiling as the reason their communities are the way they are, however its their own choice to commit crime, fail to work, use drugs etc. When they commit crime they come into contact with the law, then they blame the system when they are killed by a policeman or put into prison. They blame racism, but the reality it is their own fault. Slavery was 150 years ago, Jim Crow was over 50 years ago. Yes its time to "get over it". I have no sympathy for those who keep crying about this stuff. All Americans are aware of history, slavery and the implications of it but those wrongs have long ago been rectified. Liberals instituted programs to help these people pull themselves up for decades, but nothing good has come from them. Most black people don't live this way anyway, only a small radical group of troublemakers is responsible for the recent racial nonsense. Most black people, just like white people are too busy living their lives to pay attention to these fools.
I'm starting to believe that whites telling Black people to "get over it"--the atrocities of slavery, Black Codes, and Jim Crow--is their way of saying, "We want you [N-words] to continue being servile and subservient to us pure white Christian folks." As I've told another user like I'm about to tell you, the only way Black people will get their house in order is if folks like you get out of that house. For as long as folks like you keep covertly inserting yourselves into Black people's affairs and interfering with our progress, there will always be disarray.

You bigots on this thread have been taking the heat off your butts for too long. It ends here and now.

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Slave holders didn't "let them work", but sometimes they worked them to death.
Exactly.

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The future is something you might not like very much, in fact it might be something you should be in terror of. That is where all this divisive GARBAGE is leading us.
But folks like you have a hand in said divisive garbage.
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Old 08-07-2016, 03:42 PM
 
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There is much people forget and care not to address- American History as was taught in High Schools across the nation, the guile of such a manner was spread around the world, especially based on books created During Jim Crow High Times in American; which is books that taught many of the Baby Boomers generations how to support and promote bigotry, as it gave them even more embolden view of delusional illusions of white supremacy. The context and content was determined to fictitiously glorify white people, minimize their vile mentality and gloss over their atrocities and sanitize their abhorrent madness as it relates to race, and try and paint slavery as not being so bad. "That delusion was pushed for decades and remnants of that delusions still infect minds to this very days".

For a white society to have a mindset to deny regarding black human beings as being "a people", and treating them as if they are less than livestock, even pushing any type of dehumanizing mindset toward black people, to the degree to use violent brutal acts to deny the carriage of heritages, language, customs and engage in torturous acts upon and against black people to deny them access to the basics of education was and is beyond any elements of humane considerations. It is so far outside of any Christian values, which renders the whites society to be not only barbaric in their pursuits of hedonistic aims, until they absorbed themselves in sloth, driven by a haughtiness which further led them into contemptuous acts upon and against black people.
They became devoid of humane regard. Their focus became avarice driven. Such an absorption present them as an atrocity in the early history of America.
They slaughter both man and animals with the lest of concern for life, ultimately having the lest of concern for the civility of living beings and creatures.

They pushed forward with "a disposition of slaughterer with no conscience", driven with a hearts focused solely on avarice, led by a passion for hedonistic aims in anything and everything without regard for even the laws of the Bible; of which they tried to contort in every imaginable ways to hide their vile.

No one has ventured to discuss the torturous atrocities that were gained from the unthinkable and unimaginable experimentation's performed on black people, as many of the advances of biology and other elements of medical sciences was gained only through the horrendous atrocities practiced upon black people, men, women and children.
These are things white society will go to great lengths to hide, engage absurd levels of convolution to avoid admitting and will outwardly deny such inhumanity against other human beings.
These practices did not only exist during slavery, they continued in the 1940's and and 1950's, with other chemical methods being done in the 1960's.

White people have the audacity to wonder why they are among the least trusted in a broad sense. These are people who allowed their delusion of superiority make them unaware of even their own vile. Standing with the bible in one hand and a weapon in the other, with a mindset to kill without consideration and remorse, while still making claims to be Christian and pushing claims of morality while trying to omit their own hedonism from measure. Even in the hey day of his Slave holding days, he had the audacity to use the word "rape" only when it came to white women, while his nights were filled with rape as a standard habitual practice.
Today, he talks about family values, when he impregnated black women through rape, and subjugated his own child to being enslaved by himself, where the child was ultimately raped by him or his offspring's as they grew to the age to be lured and raped. He talks about decency when not just he but his wives also, engaged to use slaves as sex objects and parlor pleasure object when they got bored of each other.

There are many many things white society does not want to acknowledge, that's why any talk of the era of slavery and post slavery, he wants to quickly dismiss the subject by any means and will become hostile rather than to look back and acknowledge the history of his own ancestry and the vile they were driven to engage.

They've stolen the idea of black people for Centuries, and to this day, many will do all they can to avoid paying a black person for their ideas, instead many white men invest a great deal of his time to try to find ways to manipulate the idea of black people, to try and claim it as his own.

Even in the slave made for media movies, it is continually the ideas of black people that made the plantation function and produce, as well as many areas the white man will not discuss which has been the basis of successes he claims unto and for himself, but his heart knows it is far less than truth. Thus his resentment of black people has raged on for centuries, because he can't digest why his delusions of superiority cannot be of the many skills of which black people are not capable of - he can't find a skill of which he can engage that black people have not and cannot engage with either lesser of for sure with equal training. It frustrates some white people to no end; who will as we often see, they seek to bring down black people who are successful by any or many contrived means.

When Tiger Woods kicked butt by such a margin, they were anguished and terrified that a black man, being so young could dominate a game white men coveted as their own. Even when it came to open heart surgery, Dr. Blaclock would not publicly give the credit to Viven Thomas, who did not have a medical degree, but fact is Viven Thoma's went on to train many of the 20th Centuries heart surgeons whom some became notable by and through his teachings.

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Old 08-07-2016, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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Bill O'Reilly Wants You To Know That The Slaves Who Built The White House Were Well-Fed

"Slaves that worked there were well-fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government, which stopped hiring slave labor in 1802. However, the feds did not forbid subcontractors from using slave labor."

What in the world could this passage mean? Could O'Reilly really thing that how well a slave is fed is a cogent argument - that "cuisine" offered makes slave-holding less of an abomination?

Do some people really think slavery was some kind of entry level job with just a few "perks?"
I have not read any Posts, except for the first.
I have no doubt that many slave owners were kind and giving to their slaves, since human nature always remains consistent, there are good and fair people, and others.
Bottom line is that slaves were here against their will, and so we all are paying the penalties for the sins of those who came before.
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