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Old 07-28-2016, 06:45 PM
 
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People that don't have a job will take seasonal. Did you know that in Florida most of those jobs are seasonally as you get less hours in the summer.
Really? People who have families to feed will take seasonal work? Gimme a break!

As for your second sentence...huh? Articulate your point, please. Are you saying that even though they work full-time year round that they work less hours in the summer? If so, then it's still year round employment.
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:47 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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There are some jobs that Americans just won't do. Marrying Trump, for example.
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OMG !!!!!

That is hysterical !!!!!

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Old 07-28-2016, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Because they don't want to pay a decent wage. Massachusetts is not a low cost of living state, $9.00 per hour really doesn't support one.

They want cheap labor and non-union labor. I was under the impression that is what many Trump supporters are complaining about. Cheap labor which is 'undercutting' American workers. Can't have it both ways.
H2B visa holders must be paid the prevailing wage or more. Each state decides their own minimum H2 B wage.

N Dakota, S Dakota, Nebraska and Kanas have the highest minimum. The SE states have the lowest minimum.

Employers are required to pay Payroll Taxes, Unemployment Insurance and maintain Workers Comp for H2B visa workers.

66,000 H2B visas are issued each year for a duration of 1-3 years. Immediate family may join the worker.

As previously said, I do not know what becomes of an H2B visa worker once the season is over and the employer no longer has any responsibility. No doubt, some return home to be eligible for the next H2B visa round while others stay put.

I believe there is a difference in productivity between a typical H 2B visa worker and a typical US citizen performing the same functions, for the same pay- a better bang for the $.

Trump has been consistent with his position on making it easier for Mexicans and other foreigners to legally work in the US.
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Old 07-28-2016, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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No, no, no. You are posting something that is irrelevant. Apparently you don't get it, let me explain:

For the winter resort hiring that the article mentioned - it's very difficult to hire local people for those jobs. Why? Because ski resorts are usually out in the middle of nowhere with maybe a sparsely populated small town nearby and expensive vacation condos and cabin homes next to the resort. Basically, the population is too small and the people who are living there are either rich, retired, or just don't want it. Locals who are living in the nearest city two hours away are not coming for those jobs. They may get some recent college grads putting off getting real jobs, but they need to import a lot of foreign workers because they are the only people who'd come. The location of the jobs often makes foreign workers the only option.

Now, you can't argue with a straight face that Trump couldn't find enough locals for those jobs in freakin Palm Beach!! And in a state that is very friendly to employers hiring blue collar workers!
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You summarized this well. A ski resort is a good example. The season is short. The locals in Vail don't need hospitality jobs and there are likely acute shortages in some areas.

On the other hand, there's Palm Beach County surrounded by counties and even states with people in need of work. H2B visa workers must be paid the prevailing wage or more. The employer is not saving a dime. They may however get a better value for their $ by recruiting and hiring H 2B visa workers. I would imagine the visa worker is more likely to show for work, on time, sober, ready to work in uniform and appropriate appearance.

They more likely understand guests have no interest in their opinions, hair, personal business , sore feet or hardships. They are less likely to engage in social media while on the job or despise their employer because they are not paid $15/ hr. They are paid to anticipate the needs and whims of the guests and refer to them as Sir and Madam and if thanked , respond with " my pleasure".

Nonetheless, it's incredibly bad form for Trump or any nominee to seek visas for foreign workers and offshore the manufacture of clothes, shoes, bags and costume jewelry.
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Old 07-28-2016, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Why doesn't he make an appeal to out of work coal miner families? Can't he pay them a decent wage and give them a hand?
Employment in US coal mines peaked almost 100 years ago.

It's been one long slow side and mechanical/ technology substitution has eliminated more jobs than anything else.
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Old 07-28-2016, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Dude, your article basically made the point for me. These locations are sparsely populated and out of the way, so they have a hard time filling jobs.

Check out Boothbay Harbor's population..... 2,300!!

You may have a case that Palm Beach is also sparsely population if it isn't just a stone throw away from Boca Raton, Fort Lauderdale, and other cities!
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No shortage of people in need of work in surrounding counties.
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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If he paid them enough it would be worth it. You can't have it both ways. Either pay a living wage or be prepared to support people.
Didn't Trump say that people in the US made too much before he tempered and kind of/ sort of supports $10/ hr. Minimum Wage.

Bernie got Hillary to bump her intention to $15/ hr.

Both are safe bets because Congress is not going to play ball with either of them.
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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That oversized Trump name also appears on a series of luxury towers overlooking the Hudson River. But like many of his Manhattan properties, Trump doesn't actually own them.
The towers are part of a West Side development that solidified Trump's real estate legacy in New York. They also set a pattern he followed on other projects, of licensing his name to other developers.
When You See 'Trump' On A Building, It Might Not Be What You Think : It's All Politics : NPR
Understood.

This thread is about his Palm Beach property that he owns and his org operates.
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Old 07-28-2016, 10:05 PM
 
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Employment in US coal mines peaked almost 100 years ago.

It's been one long slow side and mechanical/ technology substitution has eliminated more jobs than anything else.
I was being a tad facetious. I find it hard to believe that there are absolutely no Americans - college kids, whomever - that won't take seasonal work.

It's the astounding hypocrisy that's getting me.
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Old 07-28-2016, 10:21 PM
 
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No, you don't get it. It's not just Trump. It's happening in different states and at peak seasonal times. D

Look at Google... here I found another.

Summer businesses struggle with worker shortage | WCSH6.com

What a bunch of BS. My son is an expert on H2b, because of his job, and is on Capitol Hill for all the meetings. Employers abuse it because they can pay less. In reality, it takes away jobs from us.
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