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View Poll Results: Will Trump become the worst performing GOP candidate since Barry Goldwater?
Almost certainly 29 38.67%
Probably 15 20.00%
Unlikely 12 16.00%
No Chance 19 25.33%
Voters: 75. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-01-2016, 11:59 AM
 
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Nelson Rockefeller defeated Barry Goldwater. That and the daisy ad.

Trump will get more states.
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Old 08-01-2016, 12:17 PM
 
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Yeah that's the feeling I have too. Trump supported Clinton for years. I honestly believe the fix has been in since 2008.
Oh come off it with the bizarre conspiracy theories. Trump may well want to lose because he does not need to become the President. His fortune will double either way due to the publicity he has gained from the venture, so way waste 4 years as a US President?
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Old 08-01-2016, 12:20 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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Trump will do a little bit better than Goldwater but only because bashing minorities plays well down South and rural Western states. He will still lose though.

November 9th will mark the moment at which the GOP stops being a party of angry old White people and begins to move towards a more 21st century message.
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Old 08-01-2016, 12:21 PM
 
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None of those % measures matter at all. All that matters is the electoral college. And I expect Hillary to win by 322-216.
That's a good guess. Here's a rundown since 1980. Put your estimate in for comparison. Expect the popular vote to be much closer of course.

1980 Reagan 489 Carter 49
1984 Reagan 515 Mondale 13
1988 Bush 426 Dukakis 111
1992 Bush 168 Clinton 370
1996 Dole 159 Clinton 379
2000 Bush 271 Gore 267
2004 Bush 286 Kerry 252
2008 McCain 173 Obama 365
2012 Romney 191 Obama 201
2016 Trump 216 Clinton 322
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Old 08-01-2016, 12:21 PM
 
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Hard to say. It seems like Trump is almost trying to throw the election. Just when he starts to surge he will say something that destroys his gains. The comments about the Khan family for example. What he could have said was "I appreciate the sacrifice your son made for our country, and I respect your opinions. The reality is that we need to look hard at who we allow into this country. As Europe is learning a hard lesson as we speak. Our own FBI director has publicly stated that the refugees can not be properly vetted. Until such time that they can be, we need to restrict immigration from regions that are openly hostile towards the United States.
What you wrote here is a thoughtful, articulate, well-reasoned response.

What on earth makes you think Trump is capable of such a thing?
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Old 08-01-2016, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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More of "that was then and this is now". The US was not in a desperate situation like it is now and neither was the Democratic nominee such a loser.

With Johnson, he got a foot up with by stepping into Kennedy's slot. As one of the most racist presidents, you can look that up as a fact, I am sure during those times in particular that he was able to draw Democratic voters out. I was watching the news during those years.
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Old 08-01-2016, 12:41 PM
 
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Trumps advantage is Hillary already reached her peak and is on the downhill side of being popular. Too many controversial things have happened to her for her to come back. I hate to guess, but what the heck, I can change my mind later. I think Trump will lose by roughly 8%.

We have two ridiculous candidates running and both are unpopular with the majority of people. So anything could happen. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump somehow won, but there is no way I would bet money on it.

Clinton 49%
Trump 41%
Johnson 7%
Stein and others 3%
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Old 08-01-2016, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Salinas, CA
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Trump could lose by about the same margin as Dole or slightly worse. It is not because of anything particularly brilliant about Hillary Clinton.

It will be because of Trump himself. He should blame himself. Here are some of the stupid things (and a few are cruel as well) he has done so far.

1.Refusing to release his tax returns.
2.Insulting Judge Curiel with racist comments about his Mexican ancestry.
3.Mocking disabled people.
4.Damaging our NATO relationships with yet another reckless comment.
5.Allowing Ted Cruz to speak at the RNC, knowing in advance that he would not make an endorsement.
6.Has contradicted his earlier comments about Putin.
7.He encouraged more espionage against the Clinton campaign by Wikileaks and Russia.
8.Claimed to know more about ISIS than our military leaders/generals.
9. Insulted John McCain regarding his military service.
10. The latest has been his attacks not only against Gold Star father Mr. Khan, who spoke at the DNC, but also attacked his wife who said nothing at the DNC. Hard to get much lower than that. The VFW, John McCain, Jeb Bush, John Kasich and several others criticized Trump harshly.
11. A history of misogyny ranging from comments directed at Rosie O'Donnell, Megyn Kelly, even a little indirectly at his own daughter Ivanka who "he would date if she were not his daughter". Think his misogny may have been a reason for attacking Mrs. Khan too.
12. Questionable actions with contractors on past business projects in which he did not pay them (or only partially paid them) for their work.
13. The Trump University controversy.
14. Just opinion on this one, but I believe Clinton's VP pick of Tim Kaine was better than Trump's VP pick of Mike Pence.

Far too many unforced errors along with hateful and cruel remarks. There are too many negatives to overcome IMO.

Hillary Clinton currently leads him by 7%.

He can stop the bleeding by addressing #1 immediately and release those tax returns. Then he should mend fences on the campaign trail. He did a little with the Kelly interview. He may need to meet with McCain, The Khans, and some others too.

The other factor complicating the election is if Gary Johnson gets into the debates. I am basing this opinion on that not happening, even though I would like him to be invited.

I don't think Trump will do these necessary things though, and could lose the election by 9-10% IMO.

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Old 08-01-2016, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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That's a good guess. Here's a rundown since 1980. Put your estimate in for comparison. Expect the popular vote to be much closer of course.

1980 Reagan 489 Carter 49
1984 Reagan 515 Mondale 13
1988 Bush 426 Dukakis 111
1992 Bush 168 Clinton 370
1996 Dole 159 Clinton 379
2000 Bush 271 Gore 267
2004 Bush 286 Kerry 252
2008 McCain 173 Obama 365
2012 Romney 191 Obama 201
2016 Trump 216 Clinton 322
Actually, Reagan received 525 electoral votes in the 1984 election.

And the 2012 election was Obama 332 and Romney 206.
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Old 08-02-2016, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Atlanta metro (Cobb County)
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I don't think the odds are in favor of Trump winning, but in the worst case scenario he'll probably carry all the states that Romney won in 2012, minus North Carolina and Arizona. This would end up as a 358-180 electoral college victory for Clinton - so she will fall short of her husband's performance of 1992 and 1996.

If Trump exercised a little more discipline and restraint rather than lashing out at every criticism directed his way, he would probably benefit in the polls. National politics isn't well suited to an individual who expects to be able to say whatever he wants without accountability and repercussions. Clinton certainly has serious flaws as a candidate, but the way she's campaigning isn't so obviously hurting her chances.
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