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Old 08-02-2016, 06:38 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Scalia was horrible when it comes to campaign finance. ""He believed"" any billionaire should bribe candidates running for office with as much dollars as they want, no campaign limits at all. Trump is on record saying that Scalia was awesome and we need more judges who believe in no campaign finance restrictions, making it impossible to win office without begging the rich and the powerful for money. Whats so great about that?

This thinking in the post above, is where the problem starts and how the constitution gets changed without amendment....


No he didn't think or believe that. That is what the constitution says. It is no where in the constitution, the federal government has any authority to do anything about it. It would take an amendment for the Federal government to get involved. It is a 10th amendment issue. Then look at individual State Constitutions to see if the authority lies there....

The constitution isn't what anyone "thinks" or "believes" it should say. It is what it actually says. The text.
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Old 08-02-2016, 06:38 PM
 
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Really? Voting for a person who is receiving millions and millions from Wall Street and the bankers while claiming you want to end that exact practice isn't hypocrisy?

Your dictionary is broken, because that is hypocrisy, no ifs ands or buts.
Of course not. Thats like saying its hypocrisy to be against corporate media and their dominance of the political system while at the same time donate to Sanders as he spends the money on buying ads from these same corporate media which is taking marching orders from Hillary.

Its absurd. You have to choose which fight you pick. But Trump supporters routinely show zero interest in the corrupt system of campaign finance and have for YEARS supported various puppets who have stacked the supreme court with puppets of the ruling class.
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Old 08-02-2016, 06:41 PM
 
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It doesnt matter. He is a miser and had to "loan" himself more money, which of course will be paid back in the form of various gifts from the tax payer or big money donors with time. A reason he probably doesnt want to release his tax return is not only that he isnt as rich as he claims and that he cheats on his taxes, but that he also got various "gifts" prior to running which will reveal who he is indebted to.

Its not integrity to beg for donations from the Koch brothers to be their puppet and when they reject you, you try to take the high ground and claim you didnt need it anyway!
And yet you will vote for the same.
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Old 08-02-2016, 06:41 PM
 
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This thinking in the post above, is where the problem starts and how the constitution gets changed without amendment....


No he didn't think or believe that. That is what the constitution says. It is no where in the constitution, the federal government has any authority to do anything about it. It would take an amendment for the Federal government to get involved. It is a 10th amendment issue. Then look at individual State Constitutions to see if the authority lies there....

The constitution isn't what anyone "thinks" or "believes" it should say. It is what it actually says. The text.
Nonsense. This is his extremist interpretation, because he serves the donor class of America. Countless law professors have been appalled by his extremism. And Trump promises to double down on it.
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Old 08-02-2016, 06:41 PM
 
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Nope, Scalia didnt believe in those limits. Get more people like Scalia on the supreme court which Trump promises us he will do (he is his favorite and "perfect" judge) and we are officially a full-blown oligarchy.
It isn't what Scalia believed. It is all about what the constitution actually says.
Amend the Constitution to reflect the change you want. If it is sound and with merit, the people will agree.
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Old 08-02-2016, 06:42 PM
 
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And yet you will vote for the same.
Nope, I might vote for Stein, and for sure I will vote for progressives down the ballot.
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Old 08-02-2016, 06:44 PM
 
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And yet you will vote for the same.
Of course he will. This isn't about anything more than "vote for my team".

Hypocrisy knows no boundaries.
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Old 08-02-2016, 06:44 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Nonsense. This is his extremist interpretation, because he serves the donor class of America. Countless law professors have been appalled by his extremism. And Trump promises to double down on it.

The Constitution has words and words have meaning. There is no place in the constitution that gives the federal government any authority what so ever to make a ruling, or get involved in the election process. It has always been a 10th amendment issue.
The entire reason for the 15th and 19th amendments. States run the election processes..


It isn't what you or I think the constitution should say. It is what the actual text says.
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Old 08-02-2016, 06:48 PM
 
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The Constitution has words and words have meaning. There is no place in the constitution that gives the federal government any authority what so ever to make a ruling, or get involved in the election process. It has always been a 10th amendment issue.


It isn't what you or I think the constitution should say. It is what the actual text says.
You're talking out of your a** and you know it! This was a 2010 ruling with a 5-4 majority (Scalia's team of course won). You are just doubling down on this donor class subservient extremism under the guise of the flag and the constitution. That's common for fascism.
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Old 08-02-2016, 06:50 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The federal governments powers are very little and highly limited. They have taken more than was ever to be granted to them, without amendments from the people saying it is OK.
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