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And screening potential immigrants based on their religious beliefs is a de facto way to make sure they never get here. But hey, so what? Who cares about a silly principle like freedom of religion. Stupid Founding Fathers!
Because our country was in part founded by people seeking religious freedom (Puritans, Quakers, ring any bells?), and that was so important to the Founding Fathers that they guaranteed religious freedom in the First Amendment. If your principle is freedom of religion, screening potential immigrants on the basis of religion, and barring those who follow a certain religion would be a violation of the principle of freedom of religion.
Bite me, by the way, on your deflection using the 2nd Amendment. You have no grounds to attack me on that issue.
Why do Lefties always take an attack on their party's policies as a personal attack on themselves as individuals?
No where in my post did I accuse you personally of taking that position.
But as per Mr. Khan, the Left seems to have a problem with taking EVERYTHING as a personal attack.
As for the rest...... again, we are not under any obligation to be the world's orphanage and freedom of religion has nothing to do with immigration.
How ridiculous to claim that a law to ban Muslim immigration 'bans' the free exercise of religion or establishes a religion. Muslims subject to U.S. law and the Constitution aren't affected at all.
They aren't affected? Of course they are affected. Banning immigrants who practice a certain religion sends a very strong message to Americans. It tells Americans that there is something wrong with this religion, and that those who practice this religion are suspect. That affects US citizens.
No. Any action against them would require due process. If 99% of members of a certain religion were against the US, you'd have to find evidence of that 99% before you can detain them. The US can turn any immigrant away, so long as a clear and consistent policy for doing so is established. I've said on this forum before that I do not support a ban on Muslim immigration, but would be willing to at least hear out a ban from certain countries (the bans being temporary of course).
More and more, we seem to be ok with sacrificing the need for due process. Watch lists, the Patriot Act (ironic name at it's finest...), and the NSA all seem opposed to the idea that due process is important. And we seem to be ok with it in certain circumstances. If a Mosque is suspected of terrorist activity, you get a warrant. To monitor without a warrant is against the constitution. And remember, if they can do it to a Mosque, they can do it at your church, your home, and your schools.
If you are saying that Trump's policy toward Muslim immigration is unconstitutional, you would be wrong.
Since when do we have to take in potential terrorists into the country?. Refugees have been refused for years under many administrations..
To refuse refugees from the hotbed of terrorism is not being anti-Constitution.. is is VERY PRO CONSTITUTION..We the people have a right to keep out invaders who want to kill us.
Are you telling me Mr Kahn and his son who died for this country are potential terrorists? Way to respect the troops and those who have fought and died for our freedom just because you don't like their choice of religion.
Mr. Khan, not his son, is a Muslim Brotherhood operative. And it's not "just because we don't like their choice of religion! Don't be naive!
Islam is not 'just a religion.' It is a religiopolitical system, and the agenda of Islam is World domination and conversion of the entire globe to Islam and Sharia. That in itself makes it an enemy of the U.S. and a threat to our Constitution and way of life.
And Hillary Clinton is an enabler of 'civilization jihadists' and shows sympathy toward Islam and Muslim Brotherhood operatives. Her closest consigliere, Huma Abedin has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, and should be considered an operative.
Don't try to deflect the discussion on this thread about freedom of religion to a discussion of 2nd Amendment rights.
Freedom of religion has everything to do with immigration. Just ask the Puritans.
Not deflecting anything, just taking yet another opportunity that the Left so often provides to point out their hypocrisy. I was just using 2nd amendment rights as an example, because apparently you only wish to apply the Constitutional rights that you agree with to immigration.
Freedom of religion only applies to immigrants after they get here.
You cannot apply any protections of the Constitution to foreigners simply because the want to immigrate here......we as a country cannot project Constitutional rights onto citizens of other countries.
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