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Old 08-10-2016, 05:00 PM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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It parallels what is happening with gun control. They'd like to just ban all guns and remove them from the citizens' hands, but it would be political suicide, so they're playing the long game and Death by 1000 Cuts. One or two more Supreme Court justices put in place by a Democratic President and they'll be able to speed things up.

You got it!
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Old 08-10-2016, 05:13 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Hopefully the ACA is replaced by single payer...

When government says, they are here to help, watchout! Those are the scariest words one can ever hear.
The strings attached are not worth the crumbs given.
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Old 08-10-2016, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Anything the government has their hands in stinks to high heaven.
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Old 08-10-2016, 05:21 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The UK healthcare system has a panel of bureaucrats, that determine if someone is worthy of surgical medical care.

I talk to buddies of mine all the time in the chat room for our profession, and knee surgeries are 9 months to a year out. They get put on welfare(crumbs), and given public housing(squalor) because government knows they cannot work for the next year.

So, they tough it out to not have their families put into squalor and crumbs and cause more damage and massive pain, just to provide.
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Old 08-10-2016, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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The people who want "single payer healthcare" are those who aren't doing much of the paying at all, they're the same people who love Obamacare but receive tons of tax payer funded subsidies.
I want single payer and I pay my premiums. You started your argument off with a falsehood..
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Old 08-10-2016, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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When government says, they are here to help, watchout! Those are the scariest words one can ever hear.
The strings attached are not worth the crumbs given.
The government helped with some things and they made others worse. Healthcare reform is part of the former...
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Old 08-10-2016, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Somewhere Out West
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The UK healthcare system has a panel of bureaucrats, that determine if someone is worthy of surgical medical care.
The UK system is a nationalised system. What is being talked about here is a single payer system. They are two very different systems.
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Old 08-10-2016, 06:37 PM
 
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Hopefully the ACA is replaced by single payer...
Until then, the fine is cheaper.
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Old 08-10-2016, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Carmichael, CA
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For those that think single payer will be so wonderful....please bear in mind that older people on that wonderful single payer Medicare--

1. Generally have a back-up insurance plan to cover everything that Medicare doesn't, and
2. Medicare works because the low reimbursement is balanced out by overcharging the regular insurance companies.

You take away the regular insurance companies and you end up with people needing a $1000 procedure that Medicare-for-all reimburses at $209 and wonder why doctors will be leaving in droves.
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Old 08-10-2016, 08:40 PM
 
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Totally by design, I have little doubt about that!
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