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View Poll Results: Should naturalized U.S. citizens be allowed to run for U.S. President (at least after a certain time
Yes 22 17.32%
No 105 82.68%
Voters: 127. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-11-2016, 05:09 PM
 
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Haaar! That's the very definition of a second class! Jeez Louise, it just doesn't get any more entertaining than this.

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rubbish. the founding fathers purposely put the requirements for president into the constitution for a reason. they did NOT want people from foreign lands to come here, become citizens and then become president, and take over the country in that manner. they wanted them to be dedicated to the country which they had just fought a war to create.

that said, naturalized citizens can still run for ANY other elected office in the country, and even be appointed as judges to every court in the land, including the scotus. they can be state governors, senators, representatives, etc. just not president.
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Old 08-11-2016, 05:16 PM
 
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So, do you believe that natural-born U.S. citizens who currently have or who previously had dual citizenship should also be disqualified from running for the U.S. Presidency?
Yes. By holding a passport from another country indicates you have divided loyalties.
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Old 08-11-2016, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Frankly, I would certainly rather have a mentally stable but patriotic wealthy European aristocrat as my President than an unstable person such as Donald Trump. )
Yeah, Like Arnold Schwarzenegger
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Old 08-11-2016, 08:15 PM
 
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The natural born citizen rule disqualifies men and women who are fit for the job and gives an unfair advantage to men and women not qualified for the job, like Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.
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Old 08-11-2016, 08:35 PM
 
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rubbish. the founding fathers purposely put the requirements for president into the constitution for a reason. they did NOT want people from foreign lands to come here, become citizens and then become president, and take over the country in that manner. they wanted them to be dedicated to the country which they had just fought a war to create.

that said, naturalized citizens can still run for ANY other elected office in the country, and even be appointed as judges to every court in the land, including the scotus. they can be state governors, senators, representatives, etc. just not president.
What is it about two distinct class of people you fail to understand. One is able to enjoy ALL the fruits of American citizenship; the other is not. Can it possibly be any simpler to understand?

Not debating the pro or con aspect of "natural born" versus "naturalized" as a requirement per-se. Simply debating the fact you fail to understand the "two/second class" nature of it.
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Old 08-11-2016, 08:41 PM
 
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The natural born citizen rule disqualifies men and women who are fit for the job and gives an unfair advantage to men and women not qualified for the job, like Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.
And literally thousands who demonstrated more loyalty towards their adopted country by actually dying for it on any number of battlefields America has shed blood on than either of the two boobs currently leading the race.

Try standing over any one of the graves sites in Arlington belonging to a naturalized citizen and tell him he could die for the U.S. but could not run for POTUS and use that stupid logic of 'demonstrated loyalty' with a straight face.
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Old 08-11-2016, 08:44 PM
 
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No.
The Constitution Of the United States is very clear what the citizenship qualifications are for the President.
A naturalized citizen does not qualify!
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Old 08-11-2016, 09:19 PM
 
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And literally thousands who demonstrated more loyalty towards their adopted country by actually dying for it on any number of battlefields America has shed blood on than either of the two boobs currently leading the race.

Try standing over any one of the graves sites in Arlington belonging to a naturalized citizen and tell him he could die for the U.S. but could not run for POTUS and use that stupid logic of 'demonstrated loyalty' with a straight face.
Wholeheartedly agreed.
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Old 08-11-2016, 10:00 PM
 
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What is it about two distinct class of people you fail to understand. One is able to enjoy ALL the fruits of American citizenship; the other is not. Can it possibly be any simpler to understand?

Not debating the pro or con aspect of "natural born" versus "naturalized" as a requirement per-se. Simply debating the fact you fail to understand the "two/second class" nature of it.
so you think that just because there is one job that a naturalized citizen cant do in this country, that being president, that they are second class citizens? get real. remember that we are talking about a job that only 44 people in the world have ever held, and it was done as a constitutional requirement.

if you dont like it, then work to amend the constitution so that naturalized citizens can try to become president. you only need 2/3 of each house of congress, and 38 states to amend the constitution. go for it and see how far you get.
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Old 08-11-2016, 10:02 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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No.
The Constitution Of the United States is very clear what the citizenship qualifications are for the President.
A naturalized citizen does not qualify!
Yep. Just out of curiosity, I looked up average life expectancy back in 1776. It was 36 years or so, & I expect it was even less for men - who typically live shorter lives than women, @ least now. In other words, the minimum age requirement guaranteed that the president (& later VP) would be near the end of his lifetime, when elected.


& of course, not everyone could vote back then. It was basically WASP men, of property. So the entire discussion here is missing key blocks of information - women, slaves, Native Peoples, non owners of property, & likely non-Christians could not vote. Over time, the franchise has been extended to more & more people - so we've waived many of the restrictions that originally held for who could vote in the US.
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