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Old 08-16-2016, 06:28 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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There is so much pressure to bring down costs, but doctors are forced to risk everything in order to do it. Here we have a case of someone being awarded $28 million dollars because an MRI was not immediately ordered for her back pain, and it turned out to be caused by a tumor.

Yet, if we start immediately ordering MRIs on anyone who walks into our offices with back pain, we will be spending tens of millions of dollars for every ONE person that might be helped by the MRI. Quite the predicament. I see this type of thing every day in my practice. Sometimes I order the test, and sometimes I don't. But when I don't, I always have an uneasy feeling that this could come back to bite me one day.

How do we ever bring down costs when this risk is out there? And how do we remove the risk without some sort of public outcry?

I found this blog article to be very on point and accurate...

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Recently, a jury awarded a young California resident $28.2 million for a delayed diagnosis of a pelvic tumor. The jury found Kaiser Permanente (KP) negligent. Doctors in the system, touted to be one of the finest systems by the president, allegedly refused an immediate MRI for back pain in a 17 year old. The patient eventually received an MRI three months after presentation, which found a tumor so extensive that the patient needed an amputation.









After a verdict: Doctors need to be taught a lesson. Really?

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Old 08-16-2016, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Preach.

I do find MRIs and dilaudid do increase Press Ganey scores, though.
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Old 08-16-2016, 06:36 AM
 
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Preach.

I do find MRIs and dilaudid do increase Press Ganey scores, though.
Directly proportional. Especially to dilaudid.
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Old 08-16-2016, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Here's a handy guide for the ER.
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Old 08-16-2016, 06:38 AM
 
Location: zooland 1
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How about mj doc?

Do you think it a necessary anesthetic?...

Your medical insurance is unmanageable... Your civil exposure unlimited...tough time for medicine

Who wants to be a doctor and how easy it is to be overwhelmed... Being kind and good hearted..caring for the sick ... Now it's about lawyers and hospital administration

Not as bad as bring a policeman...but still not so fun having to look over your shoulder every second for some sleezeoid lawyer... Or sue ready patient
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Old 08-16-2016, 06:38 AM
 
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Physicians need to do whats right for the patient not for them. Most of us are paying customers and should be treated as such. I have found that in this current age most Doctors will do things thats best for them not the patient.
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Old 08-16-2016, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Physicians need to do whats right for the patient not for them. Most of us are paying customers and should be treated as such. I have found that in this current age most Doctors will do things thats best for them not the patient.
Ordering an MRI was not the best for that patient.

She had a total freak thing.
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Old 08-16-2016, 06:48 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Physicians need to do whats right for the patient not for them. Most of us are paying customers and should be treated as such. I have found that in this current age most Doctors will do things thats best for them not the patient.
I don't think you are fully understanding the quandary here. In this case the thing that would have (possibly???) helped this particular patient, and the thing that would have protected the doctor were in alignment. But it is at the cost of the entire system as a whole.

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Old 08-16-2016, 06:55 AM
 
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How about mj doc?

Do you think it a necessary anesthetic?...

Your medical insurance is unmanageable... Your civil exposure unlimited...tough time for medicine

Who wants to be a doctor and how easy it is to be overwhelmed... Being kind and good hearted..caring for the sick ... Now it's about lawyers and hospital administration

Not as bad as bring a policeman...but still not so fun having to look over your shoulder every second for some sleezeoid lawyer... Or sue ready patient
MJ?

Are you talking about Michael Jackson or Marijuana?

If by Michael Jackson, you mean propofol, then yes. It is definitely the best sleep agent available for a number of reasons. Jackson's problem was that he was abusing the drug, and most importantly, it was not being administered by an anesthesiologist.

If you mean Marijuana, it does not have a practical use in anesthesia, but I have no problem with people using it recreationally as long as alcohol is legal as well.
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Old 08-16-2016, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Texas
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If (when) we move towards more socialized medicine and a single payor, it must come with comprehensive and significant tort reform. It will be a huge challenge to convince legislators, a large number of whom are lawyers, to do this. It will be a tough sell to the American people who have grown so accustomed to expecting perfect outcomes every time and suing someone if that doesn't happen, regardless of whether the action is negligent or not. Most people also fail to realize that they are paying only a small fraction of the cost for the health care services they receive, and they are one of only multiple customers the provider has to deal with and satisfy.

In countries with socialized medicine, it is very difficult to sue and win huge awards from providers because the provider is the government itself. The only way their systems work is with cost containment in the form of limited liability, restrictions on procedures (which many call quotas) and related measures. That's what OP is referring to, and if we want to have that type of system in this country, we have to accept those limitations. It's the only thing that will work.

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