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Old 08-14-2016, 11:15 AM
 
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Particularly regarding the economy the leftists seem totally incoherent and direction-less. Their policies of higher taxes, increased government, increased regulation, "pay for play" cronyism, voting for 1%er candidates, more people on welfare are all the antithesis of economic prosperity.

They harp on "income inequality" yet their preference for high taxes and increased regulation only make the problem worse, not better. America has been getting "progressively" poorer and poorer that last few decades, by all accounts we are "regressing" economically.

The giant wealth gap between boomers and millennials is cold, hard evidence of this. Average boomer easily locked down a good-paying job, nice big house, good car, full sized family, etc. Meanwhile average millennial is stuck renting apartments, working crappy part-time McJobs, drowning in student loans, unable to start a family, etc. The "regression" of our quality of life is plain as day to see. True, we now have high-tech gadgets/smartphones to distract us from our misery, but meanwhile "everything else" has gone to crap.... so what good are those shiny plastic high-tech gadgets??

How leftists can claim we are "better off" than previous generations just blows my mind
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Old 08-14-2016, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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Most of them will vote for her even if they hold their nose while doing so. I think Stein is polling at 2%.

Probably. I'll vote 'no confidence'; by not voting. I don't think I've ever felt a strong enough pull toward a candidate to vote for them.
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Old 08-14-2016, 03:37 PM
 
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Like Exxon-Mobile?

The country is not socialist. The political knowledge of Americans is at such a low level that they really are clueless as to what, exactly, socialism is. The oil companies and banks have not been nationalized. Legislation does not regulate the big corporations, ... it favors them. Social programs do not constitute "socialism". We do not have any law as Spain does that says if a business is in bankruptcy, the workers may receive their entire two years' worth of unemployment compensation in one lump sum if they can get 9 other workers to agree to take over operation of the company and run it. Mondragon Corporation is an example.

We do not have workers' unions growing. They're shrinking due to government and corporate manipulation, laws, and propaganda.

We do not have a workers' committee of any industry meeting with Congress to hammer out laws and regulations to improve anything.

We are in the depths of corporatism and oligarchy, not socialism. sheesh!



Like government owned Amtrak, like government owned USPS, like government being the biggest player in the mortgage markets, like nearly half of working citizens paying NO federal income tax, like government totally manipulating the stock-market, like government totally manipulating the price of housing........like, like, like, like!
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Old 08-14-2016, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Particularly regarding the economy the leftists seem totally incoherent and direction-less. Their policies of higher taxes, increased government, increased regulation, "pay for play" cronyism, voting for 1%er candidates, more people on welfare are all the antithesis of economic prosperity.
Nobody is calling for increased government, "pay-for-play", cronyism, 1%er candidates, or more people on welfare. Where do you people get this garbage????? Maybe you should try actually talking with (not "to") a leftist.

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They harp on "income inequality" yet their preference for high taxes and increased regulation only make the problem worse, not better.
If the taxes were on the middle class, maybe. If the regulation was to hobble the middle class, maybe.

But it isn't. The right actually believes infrastructure projects wouldn't increase jobs. The right actually believes lowering taxes on the top 1% would "trickle-down" good stuff for the middle class. The right actually believes corporations' taxes are higher than they are in other countries. The right actually believes Glass-Steagel was a bad thing.


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America has been getting "progressively" poorer and poorer that last few decades, by all accounts we are "regressing" economically.
That is the nature of capitalism when it is in the monopoly and corporatist stage of degeneration. The right actually thinks we can "return to the good old days" and make things nice for the people by giving advantage to the top corporations.

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The giant wealth gap between boomers and millennials is cold, hard evidence of this. Average boomer easily locked down a good-paying job, nice big house, good car, full sized family, etc. Meanwhile average millennial is stuck renting apartments, working crappy part-time McJobs, drowning in student loans, unable to start a family, etc.
Who championed laws against labor union freedom to organize? Who advocated privatization of pensions into 401k plans? Who then attacked the public for not saving enough for retirement out of their $45,000/year income? Who backed the wars with trillion dollar price tags? Who defended the "right" of corporations to move overseas for cheap labor claiming it would make prices low rather than putting more profit into the hands of the corporatists?

The whole problem has been government governing for the benefit of the top corporations, and it is the right who is the greatest champion of that "cause".

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How leftists can claim we are "better off" than previous generations just blows my mind
How a rightie can claim that leftist make such a claim is the real mind blower.
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