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Old 08-16-2016, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Originally Posted by Nepenthe View Post
I'm wondering why you would be snarky about that. I mean, it's highly unlikely violent mobs are going to attack suburbs in Milwaukee or anywhere else anytime soon.

But, let's say they did. What do you think people would do? I'm going to guess 80% maybe 90% of the homeowners in my neighborhood are well-armed. It's not about being "Rambo." I would absolutely maim or kill to protect myself, my family, and my property, and I'd expect most others to follow suit.


And nobody's suggesting leaving home armed to attack mobs anywhere.

Just wondering why the snark.

There's probably 100 houses in my neighborhood and from what I know of some of my neighbors, I don't think I'd dare break in to any house in the neighborhood.

Where do you think most of the 300+ million guns in America are?

The burbs.

 
Old 08-16-2016, 08:27 AM
 
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Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
Many of those protesting and rioting have been dished out this crap for decades. So I suppose your point stands.
For one, there should be a withdrawal of support for Dems that stand up for illegals.
That would open up many job opportunities.

When you support those that implement policies that harm you repeatedly for decades it's a Fool's folly.
 
Old 08-16-2016, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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Originally Posted by natalie469 View Post
Applied, meaning you have to be accepted...so who knows how many were accepted. So what do the rest do?
Maybe go to school and learn a trade?
 
Old 08-16-2016, 08:34 AM
 
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Originally Posted by roadrat View Post
Your wrong.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/ny.../05loosie.html
Selling loosies in NYC is illegal, If you don't like it, feel free to have the ultra socialist mayor Bill de Blasio change it.
We will note that you dishonestly didn't even link to the story so we can pretty much dismiss anything you have to say.

There doesn’t seem to have been a good reason for the encounter as the news report cited below doesn’t indicate the Eric Garner was doing anything other than loitering. The police only suspected him of selling untaxed cigarettes (itself, a misdemeanor); they did not claim that they SAW him selling them.

https://www.quora.com/Why-didnt-poli...xed-cigarettes

They were called over a fight. A fight that Garner helped break up. An example of why so many are reluctant to help the police. When the two men fled the cops had to take out their frustrations somewhere and they decided to take them out on the guy that had actually helped stop the fight.

Yes, he was recognized as someone that had sold loose cigarette's in the past. Yes, this would appease the crazed authoritarians that had instructed the cops to cut down on this heinous crime. They had no justification to approach him. He was under no obligation to talk to them. They most certainly did not have probable cause to search him.

What was the point? What if he did have smokes on him? That is not illegal. They could not prove he was doing anything illegal even if they had. They were wasting the taxpayers money violating someone's civil rights.
 
Old 08-16-2016, 08:38 AM
 
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Even so, nothing excuses going out and attacking people who aren't doing anything to you.

Yes, it would make sense to address alot of issues. However, attacking innocent people is only going to bring more problems. Yes, it is wrong for people in power to lie. That needs to be addressed. It is also wrong to go and assault individuals, strangers no less, who aren't doing anything to you. The only thing assaulting people unprovoked is going to do is get people thrown in prison for assault/attempted murder and create even more problems. Going after pedestrians, they're going after the wrong persons.
People with nothing to lose will resort to more extreme actions right or wrong. Whether we agree with it or not this is what is going to happen.

As you note, they will be prosecuted. There will be no system there to cover up and hide what they did. On one side the system works as it should. If you get caught harming someone else, you get charged. On the other side you lie and it gets covered up.
 
Old 08-16-2016, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Lubbock, TX
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I think we might need more mass incarceration.

Milwaukee Rioter To Police: "We Cannot Cohabitate With White People, One Of Us Has To Go" - Vessel News

Check out the video.
 
Old 08-16-2016, 08:42 AM
 
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Originally Posted by bluesjuke View Post
For one, there should be a withdrawal of support for Dems that stand up for illegals.
That would open up many job opportunities.
I do not disagree. I have to note though......it is NOT just the Dems that support this. Ryan and McConnell has saw to it that these programs have been fully funded.

It is though once again an example of where those in power enforce laws when they want to and ignore them when they do not. I do not in any way support these actions no matter from what party.

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When you support those that implement policies that harm you repeatedly for decades it's a Fool's folly.
I've pointed out that many who complain about things are also the reason these things happen and that is without question unfortunate.

It still doesn't excuse the actions.
 
Old 08-16-2016, 08:45 AM
 
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Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
People with nothing to lose will resort to more extreme actions right or wrong. Whether we agree with it or not this is what is going to happen.

As you note, they will be prosecuted. There will be no system there to cover up and hide what they did. On one side the system works as it should. If you get caught harming someone else, you get charged. On the other side you lie and it gets covered up.
I've mentioned throughout this thread that those rioters have nothing to lose. In this particular post, I'm not arguing on whether or not they have anything to lose. I'm talking about right and wrong. Separate subject. I've mentioned that the looters/rioters don't care and have nothing to lose. It doesn't mean we should excuse attacking random pedestrians. One's beef is not with those pedestrians. It is with the power structure.
 
Old 08-16-2016, 08:54 AM
 
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Originally Posted by ApartmentNomad View Post
We already have been doing this. And this is what I understand of those looters/rioters. They don't understand right and wrong. They don't care, they have nothing to lose. I'm betting that many have served time in prison before this event. Angry young men with no jobs, criminals records, no ownership of anything valuable. Nothing to lose but life and freedom. Those rioters do not understand that the individuals in power are who their beef is with, not random pedestrians. All they understand is "live and die by the sword".

I don't think mass incarceration will stop more riots in the future. The rioters are often people with nothing to lose. We already lead the world in incarceration.
 
Old 08-16-2016, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Please,

as looting is more of a crime of opportunity than an organized act, they're more often acting out of motivations vastly separate from the main protest (and are thusly, rightly condemned). They're using a lawful and otherwise justifiable activity as a hollow cover for their crime.
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