Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 08-22-2016, 10:16 AM
 
34,619 posts, read 21,615,505 times
Reputation: 22232

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by burdell View Post
Probably why now he's backing off on deporting illegals, probably wants to let companies hire them for peanuts.
The main reason is that the media uses it as "proof" he is racist.

Trump must have more minority votes to have any chance of winning; therefore, he is softening his stance hoping to pick up any votes.

Does he have friends and donors who like cheap labor? My guess would be yes.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 08-22-2016, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Barrington
63,919 posts, read 46,738,058 times
Reputation: 20674
Quote:
Originally Posted by greywar View Post
Because in countries where they are more prevalent, inequality is lower. And lower inequality is for losers right! Because by golly here in America the common worker has too much power!

Wait.....

Yes, SOME unions have acted in their own interests, and not for their members, or their mutual employer.....but thats like saying "some people have shot others, so lets attach these ankle bracelets to everyone, and monitor everyone 24/7 because by golly...one of them might be a murderer."

We need more unions. And I'd love to see unions compete for members.
The countries , where unions are most prevalent, impose very high rates of progressive taxation on the people which redistributes income.

The standard of living as measured by square footage of living space, acquired stuff and recreation are lower in these countries than in the US. In contrast, healthcare and opportunities for affordable education for "" qualified" students can't be beat.

BTW, the largest union in the world is the All China Federation of Unions which has more than 200 million members. It is my understanding the union works hand in hand with government and the focus is on GDP, not employee members. In 2010 Walmart employed nearly 90,000 in China in 400 retail stores and all are Union shops. Over the past 20 years full time positions with benefits including housing allowances became lower paying part time positions with no benefits. Sound familiar?

China has long operated on an economic caste system. The Walmart jobs tend to be filled by rural migrant workers who are denied the educational opportunities available to others. They live in slums in the shadows of the more affluent and educated class.

Strikes and violent riots are increasingly common place in China.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-22-2016, 10:47 AM
 
3,298 posts, read 2,474,064 times
Reputation: 5517
Donald Trump: I have tremendous support within unions

Which unions are supporting Trump?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-22-2016, 10:49 AM
 
34,619 posts, read 21,615,505 times
Reputation: 22232
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scratch33 View Post
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...act=mrc&uact=8
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-22-2016, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Barrington
63,919 posts, read 46,738,058 times
Reputation: 20674
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ponderosa View Post
The decline in the American middle class is exactly paralleled by the decline in American union membership. Think about it.
Middle class is a construct of a government.

The emergence of the American middle class is exactly parallel to the emergence of unions.

It lifted the masses , especially white men, out of poverty. Private sector unions peaked after WW2- mid 1950's, 60 years ago. The rust belt is what remains.

The steel mills were the first to feel the impact of global competition in the 60's. The foreign markets were no longer willing to pay a premium to sustain the US middle class when they could import from elsewhere for substantially less.

The higher the wage and benefit of a rule based job, the more likely the job function will be replaced by technology. Today it takes only 2 steel workers to produce the same steel output as once required 12 workers.

The downturn of the Chinese economy meant they had a huge surplus of steel and began dumping in into the global market at rock bottom prices. The EU and US responded by imposing tariffs on Chinese steel. As a result, steel is more expensive than if the free market were able to operate without protectionist policies.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-22-2016, 10:52 AM
 
3,298 posts, read 2,474,064 times
Reputation: 5517
Quote:
Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
Okay, that was funny.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-22-2016, 10:54 AM
 
34,619 posts, read 21,615,505 times
Reputation: 22232
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scratch33 View Post
Okay, that was funny.
The big question is whether a guild is the same as a union.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-22-2016, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Barrington
63,919 posts, read 46,738,058 times
Reputation: 20674
Quote:
Originally Posted by boxus View Post
Only 11.3% (6.7% in the private sector) of people belong to unions. SO according to your theory, there should be numerous jobs open because the unions are "crushed."
Technology substitution.

Makes no sense to employ humans when machines/ software are more productive.

15% of manufacturing jobs were eliminated between 2000-2010 due to technology substitution.
Likely, another 15% will be eliminated by the end of this decade.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-22-2016, 10:57 AM
 
34,619 posts, read 21,615,505 times
Reputation: 22232
Quote:
Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Technology substitution.

Makes no sense to employ humans when machines/ software are more productive.

15% of manufacturing jobs were eliminated between 2000-2010 due to technology substitution.
Likely, another 15% will be eliminated by the end of this decade.
Automation is going to cause massive social and economic issues. It's a ticking time bomb getting close to detonation, and I don't see any way to diffuse it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-22-2016, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Barrington
63,919 posts, read 46,738,058 times
Reputation: 20674
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scratch33 View Post
Trump is attempting to woo union members to vote for him, despite the union leaders rejection and Pence's miserable record in that regard.
Trump seems to be campaigning on bringing jobs back AND promising higher wages for everyone.

He seems to ignore that the US must export to survive.

What country is going to pay a premium to sustain the US middle class when the same product can be made in Bangladesh for . 33 / hr

US wages do not matter. What matters is the purchasing power of your wage. Does it matter if wages and the cost of living doubles?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:51 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top