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Old 08-24-2016, 08:53 AM
 
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Why is this idea even controversial?
Apparently rights should only extend to those with the popular viewpoint.
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Old 08-24-2016, 08:55 AM
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Many mosques preach Anti-West and Anti-Infidel sermons.

A survey showed as many as half. It's troubling.
so much for multiculturalism.. the barbarian culture of misfits wants to turn us into them.
We should take the culture war serious and stop importing the culture of misfits. It will only lead to violent confrontation in the future unless one submits.
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Old 08-24-2016, 08:56 AM
 
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I wonder why, an American President would spend so much time defending another religion that is not his
Oh, I don't know. Maybe it has something to do with the founding principles of the nation he governs.
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Old 08-24-2016, 10:30 AM
 
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Why is this idea even controversial?
It's controversial because the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons act (passed in the Clinton Administration) says that Local & State Regulations for Zoning do not apply in the case of a Religious Organization. Technically they can do whatever they wish, build anywhere they wish IF they either own the property or have a contract to own the property.

So now I'm wondering -- my city has zoning laws against any business that sell alcohol located within a certain distance from a Religious structure of Educational structure. That zoning law would prevent either a business from opening on vacant land OR a Religious or Educational Structure built on open land. Turns out the Religious structure doesn't have to follow Zoning Regulations ..... so I guess the other businesses would have to move or shut down.

Our Transformed America includes removing Local & State Powers and the voice of the citizens in zoning issues for their neighborhood.
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Old 08-24-2016, 10:34 AM
 
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It's controversial because the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons act (passed in the Clinton Administration) says that Local & State Regulations for Zoning do not apply in the case of a Religious Organization. Technically they can do whatever they wish, build anywhere they wish IF they either own the property or have a contract to own the property.

So now I'm wondering -- my city has zoning laws against any business that sell alcohol located within a certain distance from a Religious structure of Educational structure. That zoning law would prevent either a business from opening on vacant land OR a Religious or Educational Structure built on open land. Turns out the Religious structure doesn't have to follow Zoning Regulations ..... so I guess the other businesses would have to move or shut down.

Our Transformed America includes removing Local & State Powers and the voice of the citizens in zoning issues for their neighborhood.
Local zoning laws can say "no commercial" property here. No churches there.

They can't say churches can be built unless they are a mosque.
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Old 08-24-2016, 10:38 AM
 
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A muslim woman sued a financial institution as they have on their door that no head covers are allowed so she had to take her scarf off and she refused and based on her religion she claims she id discriminated.

BUT the funny part is she went to pay her mortgage payment and her religion doesn't allow muslims to have a mortgage!

So much for that claim to sue!

On top of that there is no discrimination other than between her ears as everyone has to take their head covers off.
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Old 08-24-2016, 10:58 AM
 
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It's controversial because the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons act (passed in the Clinton Administration) says that Local & State Regulations for Zoning do not apply in the case of a Religious Organization. Technically they can do whatever they wish, build anywhere they wish IF they either own the property or have a contract to own the property.
No, they can't necessarily do anything they like.

"In religious land use disputes, RLUIPA’s general rule is the most commonly cited and challenged section. It provides:

General rule. No government shall impose or implement a land use regulation in a manner that imposes a substantial burden on the religious exercise of a person, including a religious assembly or institution, unless the government can demonstrate that imposition of the burden on that person, assembly or institution
is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.
"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...ed_Persons_Act

How this is applied depends very much on whether or how zoning is structured in a particular state. This is where it pays to have a stricter zoning law rather than a "sure, put it where you want to" system. Which works great until the day comes when you don't want something there, and you have not provided yourself with a consistent regulatory structure that allows you to say no.

If it's legal to build a baptist church on a particular site, then it's also legal to build a mosque there. You can't make it harder for one than it is for the other.

If you're going to prohibit building a church, mosque, temple, or ashram on a particular site, but you're willing to allow a store there - you'd better have a DARN good reason - one that passes the smell test. You can't make it harder for one than it is for the other.

You can't make the religious organization jump through hoops that non-religious organizations don't have to jump through. You can't make it harder for one than it is for the other.
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Old 08-24-2016, 12:02 PM
 
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Your point? Are First Amendment rights subject to a popularity test now?

You and yours are being tested on your principles, here. And you're not doing too well. In which case, as someone smarter than me said, "they're not principles - they're hobbies."
About as much sense that CAIR and possibly you think this principle below is okay. CAIR is a political principle or hobby? Kind of strange to go to or be at war for words........isn't it!


Such anti-Muslim bigotry could even embolden ISIS and other radical extremist groups overseas who seek new recruits by arguing that that our nation is at war with American Muslims.
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Old 08-24-2016, 12:05 PM
 
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Apparently rights should only extend to those with the popular viewpoint.
Yet, CAIR is expressing the reason is because of hate, while the people are saying it is due to radicalism coming out of those places. Are Christians or any other religion teaching hate against others inside this country?


Seems you are fine with one group using words," if America rejects the mosques the war will continue," but stand against those who express the teachings inside these mosques. Laws work 2 ways not just one!

If mosques were so welcomed in other countries, why is France closing many, while our President is trying to open many?

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Oh, I don't know. Maybe it has something to do with the founding principles of the nation he governs.
Yet, his focus as been solely propping up one religion while tearing down another. Strange for a Christian to do, isn't it?

Is this a founding principle or job of the President? While meeting with CAIR why are there never any Christians in the mist at these meeting?
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Old 08-24-2016, 12:19 PM
 
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Well...they do have religious freedom.

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Many mosques preach Anti-West and Anti-Infidel sermons.

A survey showed as many as half. It's troubling.
Really...you got a link for that survey, or is it make up facts day?
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