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Old 08-26-2016, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Is that a variation of the naïve, unsophisticated Secretary of State was led astray by everyone else. Powell told her to do it. Blame her staff, many who were with her for years, including Huma. The idea that she didn't know the most elementary procedure for SoS communications is as bad as her breaking the rules for her personal convenience.
There is no particular reason to expect an SofS to be an expert on IT Security. She did what was convenient and should have been discouraged from doing it. But there is no record showing any resistance by her senior staff to her server. Not clear any of them knew better though the administrative guy should have.

She obviously did know how to use the State Dept systems. Those systems were running large numbers of secure documents through her office daily. In dispute are a mere handful of documents that would be a tiny percentage of what flows. Remember virtually everything in the SofS office is classified even including her daily schedules before they occur.

 
Old 08-26-2016, 02:19 PM
 
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I believe I stated that it was a Clinton failure. But the failure was that she did not pick a staff with the capability of talking her out of such things as the home server. And no, major executives do not know EXACTLY what they are doing. They should have staff members who do and keep their boss covered. But virtually all executives have only limited knowledge of certain areas such as IT in a high security environment. So Clinton left herself uncovered but the failure was one of picking and enabling staff not knowingly avoiding regulations.
You apparently believe everything you say. I feel very, very sorry for you. You know what the saying is, about what can't be fixed... Sorry...
 
Old 08-26-2016, 02:25 PM
 
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It's funny that so many are still fantasizing about Hillary getting arrested. Hope springs eternal for many on this forum, I guess.
If life were fair and there truly were justice for all, that corrupt hog would have long since been buried deeply behind the walls of a federal prison.
It took a long time to bring down the mafia too, but there will come a time will princess hog will go down.
Hopefully it will happen soon so that America might survive..
 
Old 08-26-2016, 02:56 PM
 
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There is no particular reason to expect an SofS to be an expert on IT Security. She did what was convenient and should have been discouraged from doing it. But there is no record showing any resistance by her senior staff to her server. Not clear any of them knew better though the administrative guy should have.
This should end the debate. How many 69 year-olds are IT experts? You could probably count them on one hand. Colin Powell certainly proved he wasn't one, either. This was the basis for Comey saying he couldn't prove intent. Because there was none. Should someone have caught this? Sure. They should have caught it with Powell, too. The problem is that technology has moved so fast that it's hard for non-experts to keep up with it.

There was nothing nefarious about this, and Comey knows it. So do most of the rest of us, which is why this is getting no traction outside of the RWNJs.
 
Old 08-26-2016, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Houston
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What is sad is the IRS persecuted conservative groups in a highly partisan manner and even conservatives are more interested in beating down Hillary then actually protecting our Constitution. Hillary effed up but being ignorant ain't a crime.

All the Republicans had to do was nominate someone who was more likeable than Hillary (not a difficult task) and we would not have to worry about bringing her down now.
 
Old 08-26-2016, 04:35 PM
 
Location: world
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WOW! How can one ever respond to a comment from so far out in outer space.
Not even a devoted democrat would believe most of this hogwash...
The lady is corrupt and evil and has never told the truth in her entire life....
She has more blood on her hands than Count Dracula...
 
Old 08-26-2016, 04:45 PM
 
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This should end the debate. How many 69 year-olds are IT experts? You could probably count them on one hand. Colin Powell certainly proved he wasn't one, either. This was the basis for Comey saying he couldn't prove intent. Because there was none. Should someone have caught this? Sure. They should have caught it with Powell, too. The problem is that technology has moved so fast that it's hard for non-experts to keep up with it.

There was nothing nefarious about this, and Comey knows it. So do most of the rest of us, which is why this is getting no traction outside of the RWNJs.
The worst defense yet. She doesn't need to be a computer whiz [in Comey's words] to not use her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Doesn't take an 'expert' to use email. She was quite capable of using her blackberry. Her disregard for national security was for personal convenience.


The traction shows in her low honesty and trustworthy ratings, unless you believe the 60%-70% of the public who don't trust her are RWNJ's.
 
Old 08-26-2016, 05:35 PM
 
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The worst defense yet. She doesn't need to be a computer whiz [in Comey's words] to not use her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Doesn't take an 'expert' to use email. She was quite capable of using her blackberry. Her disregard for national security was for personal convenience.


The traction shows in her low honesty and trustworthy ratings, unless you believe the 60%-70% of the public who don't trust her are RWNJ's.
30% of the population would not trust Mother Teresa is she were running as a Democrat. It is automatic and shows the extensive polarity of the hard right.

The rest is mostly due to the ongoing smear. Sure Clinton has made mistakes and misstated some stuff. So what? Happens. But mostly it is the impact of the right wing smear. And they might have pulled it off if that same polarized 30% had not managed to nominate a hopeless loser.

As the election gets closer and Trumps screws up Clinton will look better and better. Likely going to cost the Republicans the Senate and maybe even the House. At the least the majority will be far smaller and more fragile.

The Tea Party is going over the side.
 
Old 08-26-2016, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Coastal Mid-Atlantic
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I'm saying that Democrats have every bit of respect for the truth as anyone else.

As for Secretary Clinton, she's a flawed human being. She lies and makes mistakes just like the rest of us do. Certainly some of the accusations against her have merit, but the bulk of the accusations made against her are not honest or ethical. Those who are opposed to her have no boundaries in what they will say, do or allege against her. And that's okay, that is the nature of American politics. But she doesn't have a string of dead bodies trailing her. Whitewater was just a failed land development deal. Benghazi was a tragedy, but she didn't know there was going to be an attack and she didn't just let those men die. The e-mail server was a mistake and poor judgment on her part. But the FBI could not find evidence that the server was hacked. Her doctor has stated that she is healthy and fit to serve as President, and there is no evidence otherwise.

I keep wondering if the victims in the Benghazi mess would of turned out different, if one of them had been a contributor to the Clinton Foundation.
 
Old 08-26-2016, 06:28 PM
 
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30% of the population would not trust Mother Teresa is she were running as a Democrat. It is automatic and shows the extensive polarity of the hard right.
Using your theory that 30% automatically won't trust a D, that still leaves nearly 40% to account for who don't trust Hillary. You think those 40% are brainwashed by a right wing smear campaign. imo, they came to their opinion using common sense and facts, and it's smug and arrogant to think otherwise.
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