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Old 08-23-2016, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…. That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men…. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. … Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Declaration of Independence (1776).


Anyone? I don't consider the CSA a change as it was merely setting up its own country.

We were given that right in our DOI but its never been done...why not? Surely MORE than enough people are tired of business as usual in DC and in our state capitals so what gives? Life still too cushy? Things are PERSONALLY bad enough yet? Do you think it will ever happen?

 
Old 08-23-2016, 03:17 PM
 
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Honestly, I chalk it up to brainwashing.

The powerful control the media and pick the candidate they want and we usually obey them. If you look at where the average person gets their information from it is clearly not given in an objective manner.

People also hate going back on their words and views. If they pick a party or candidate they will stick with them no matter what. That's become pretty clear through this election cycle.
 
Old 08-23-2016, 03:22 PM
 
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Honestly, I chalk it up to brainwashing.

The powerful control the media and pick the candidate they want and we usually obey them. If you look at where the average person gets their information from it is clearly not given in an objective manner.

People also hate going back on their words and views. If they pick a party or candidate they will stick with them no matter what. That's become pretty clear through this election cycle.
I agree. The media is powerful and any attempts at changing the government will be met with hammering at any candidate who promises changes.

Politicians know that people don't like change and that's why they are practically coronating Hillary. Then people will go back to the same complaints wondering why nothing changes for the better for them.

Human nature is a funny thing.
 
Old 08-23-2016, 03:39 PM
 
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We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…. That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men…. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. … Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Declaration of Independence (1776).


Anyone? I don't consider the CSA a change as it was merely setting up its own country.

We were given that right in our DOI but its never been done...why not? Surely MORE than enough people are tired of business as usual in DC and in our state capitals so what gives? Life still too cushy? Things are PERSONALLY bad enough yet? Do you think it will ever happen?
Or maybe, that the government doesn't need changing? It's fine enough the way it is, except society's attitudes need ti change in regards to healthcare and infrastructure
 
Old 08-23-2016, 03:40 PM
 
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Because too many and all of one major party has full access to the Santa Clause government Treasury.
 
Old 08-23-2016, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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To REALLY change? You mean, like, where armed citizens stage a coup and attempt to abolish the existing government in order to institute new government?

Complacency. Government is far too powerful. The current situation is "good enough." Most people are comfortable enough the way it is. We're extremely divided over issues such as race and a million other things that we squabble over WITH EACH OTHER that you could never get enough people united and willing to do violence in order to overthrow the government. Who wants to be part of a small minority probably facing death in order to institute a new government for the great majority of complacent slobs? If we're one day disarmed how could we ever abolish the current one and institute a new one? We'd be helpless. Who's to say the new one would be any better -- it would inherit all the structural, systematic problems of the existing situation, after all. How would we ever agree on what the new government we'd be instituting should look like?

If you're just talking about voting for a slightly different political idol within the same system of power and control, that's hardly "altering or abolishing or instituting new government."

My advice is to not focus on the Federal Government and to not grant it any more power in your own mind than it already has.
 
Old 08-23-2016, 03:49 PM
 
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You are suggesting we overthrow the government because for some reason you dont like it, To overthrow current American government would involve millions like yourself taking up arms and i presume killing government employees, when you've killed enough government employees to your satisfaction for change you will then replace the dispatched government with What?Anarchy?
Sounds like a tough sell to most people who have jobs/family/house/nice car.etc
 
Old 08-23-2016, 03:52 PM
 
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The citizens have become politically lazy.
 
Old 08-23-2016, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by Misanthrope83 View Post
We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…. That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men…. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. … Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Declaration of Independence (1776).


Anyone? I don't consider the CSA a change as it was merely setting up its own country.

We were given that right in our DOI but its never been done...why not? Surely MORE than enough people are tired of business as usual in DC and in our state capitals so what gives? Life still too cushy? Things are PERSONALLY bad enough yet? Do you think it will ever happen?
Look... Franklin summed it up quite nicely: Those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither. We've given you a federal government, now it's up to you to keep it.

I'd say we gave it up entirely on Jekyll Island when the banks colluded to defraud the American people. They did it again in 2008, only this time they defrauded the world. Same banks, same puppets, same cronies in Congress; only the names have changed, but it's still the same political class with the same agenda.

This is why the HRC scandals are mind numbing, simply because it's so frustratingly obvious. Their foundation made $156M in pay to play donations... PERIOD! The truth is simple when the truth matters.

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The citizens have become politically lazy.
The PSS has dumbed down the average voter intentionally.
 
Old 08-23-2016, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Wartrace,TN
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How can political change happen when the two political "crime families" control the process? They are quite happy to share power with each other. They will do everything possible to maintain the status quo.
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