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I think segregation would be a failed experiment if it were to happen. Blacks would blame whites again for giving them unwanted land lacking of resources.
If you look at other ethnic groups. I think Hispanics, Asians, and other ethnic groups do just fine in their own communities and running their own commerce and having their own system and integrating with America.
You look at black communities that's been here for over a hundred years and nothing has changed or improved.
Other ethnic groups went through racial discrimination and still managed to improve their social standing on this land without much assistance of whites.
I think blacks needs to re-educate their own community and start adopting ideas from other ethnic groups on how to improve their social economic problems. Stop making excuses, that's all you see on TV and hear. Blaming other people for their own demise.
There are people that came to this country with nothing, never been on welfare, and obtained the American dream through hard work.
So based on your rash, broad stroking generalization, all black communities are a bastion of poverty and social misfortune. That's funny because my mother's rowhouse in DC was just appraised at over $700,000 in a majority black neighborhood with similar homes.
No, I do not think the races should separate. What we should do is this.
1) Dispense of criminals of any race
2) Dispense of the extremists
3) Start treating one another with love and respect. What is so hard about that?
Too many people looking to keep the wedge firmly in place so that they can take advantage of and exploit it for gain, political or otherwise.
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Not really. What some people really want to say is "we want to keep Blacks out of our communities", but have little guts to say exactly that.
Even if that were the case, what's wrong with whites wanting to live in majority white communities? What would be wrong with blacks wanting to live in majority black communities, run by black people who better understand the needs of their communities?
There's nothing wrong with acknowledging our differences as a people. It doesn't mean that I think you are any less than, it just means that we are in fact different as a people and we acknowledge those differences exist. Acknowledging differences between races doesn't automatically equate to racism. That's the conventional wisdom that I believe needs challenged. Is it considered racist if a black person wants to go to an all black church, for example?
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Well, you won't see me championing any of this. I'm the first person to give integration a try. You don't see me saying "stay with your own kind".
We did give it a try. It's failing. Blacks don't want to be policed by whites, governed by whites, have whites in positions of power within their criminal justice system, etc. and whites are tired of being told they're privileged racists.
Time to change the way we think about race in America and acknowledge that we're different people with different needs and styles. It's time we quit buying the lie that our only difference is the color of our skin. That's not to say that one is better than the other, it's just to acknowledge the difference exists.
Again the problem is the government policy is to allow 1.5 million non white/non western immigrants in every year, then seed them in every white area. Liberals seek out every white area in the country and place nonwhites in the area. This is forced integration and forced colonization. We are seeing every white majority area that isn't upper class exclusive in price being flooded with non whites. That's extreme anti-white racism. At least when whites engaged in colonization they did it before the 1940's when the whole world operated under the right of conquest, were moving into mostly undeveloped areas
, and the natives had the right of resistance. The West is being not just multi colonized but invaded and conquered and directed from within.
I don't get why American blacks are so enamored with all this non-white and non-American black diversity. Hispanics and Asians don't really like blacks, less than whites do. Actually I do get it. Most blacks are for anything that's bad for whites and America even if it's bad for blacks too. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face.
White racists are free to segregate themselves into whites-only compounds out in the country if they like. Fine by me. Leave the rest of us here in cities and communities to live our lives.
Chicago is probably a testament to how well that works out.... Yet somehow, "white privilege" get's blamed for the unbelievable amounts of crime and poverty within majority black communities.
This is the basis for my argument. Let's voluntarily segregate, and there will no longer be forces of white privilege or institutional racism for African Americans to have to contend with or overcome.
I'll also note that Martin Luther King spoke, just like Black Lives Matter about the race issues in American society are based on America's continued acceptance and complacency regarding racial discrimination and the fact that many whites are racist. You can use "the dream" all you want but that was only one speech in the storied career of MLK Jr.
On riots - “Our summers of riots are caused by winters of delay.” –Martin Luther King Jr.
On racism - “The thing wrong with America is white racism. White America has allowed itself to be indifferent to race prejudice.”–Martin Luther King Jr.
On youth activism (ala BLM) - “The blanket of fear was lifted by Negro youth. When they took their struggle to the streets a new spirit of resistance was born. I believe in dissent. We must never lose this.” --Martin Luther King Jr.
Except that when Martin Luther King Jr. spoke, his words were valid at the time he spoke them. Groups like Black Lives Matter think this is still the 60's.
Controversial idea, but it feels like that's where we're headed in this country, like that's the eventual, logical conclusion to what's going on right now. We're told that whites cannot be relied upon to fairly police black neighborhoods, and that police forces need to look like the communities they patrol. There's a thread on here about blacks only banking with black owned banks. We've seen where defendants get a new trial on the basis of the jury being majority white. Groups like Black Lives Matter and others claim the existence of a force of institutional racism and oppression at work.... And a lot of whites see a completely different reality altogether, which means the truth is probably somewhere in the middle...
Interesting fact: After the Civil War, one plan that was floated was to give freed slaves their very own territory / country, but that plan never came to fruition. Frederick Douglas, among others, wanted to be part of the fabric of this great American Experiment.
Is racial harmony a tried and failed experiment? Is the great Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream dead? Would whites and blacks be happier living separate from each other, and would it really solve anything?
The races already pretty much voluntarily segregate. So-called "ethnic whites" did as well during the first half of the 20th century in the USA.
But consider this, which I know is not popular among Americans reared in team-sports political parties akin to European and Latin American soccer fanatics, but the two party system may well be an intentional, strategically placed, divide and conquer system.
I've known for some time--first stated to me by a lawyer--that the two party system is strategically implemented so no radical change can ever occur in the USA. That is why whether Bush or Obama is office the Sherman Park neighborhood of Milwaukee remains the same. No radical change.
The American system of politics is far more corrupted by money than most Americans will be willing to admit, or even more than so of us may even be aware of.
So, a homeless black veteran was once asking why so little political and monetary effort is put into the homeless veteran issue as opposed to say something like feminist or LGBTQ causes. He thought it merely and only was a result of American's personal values that originate without TV or any environmental influences. I argued to him that this was not the case. That it was an issue of money influencing politics and thereby public opinion. I argued to him that it requires money to sit at the table in the USA and political interest groups, wealthy individuals, and corporations bring that money. The collective of homeless people are not organized enough nor have the required cash to give to politicians to have a seat at the table. However, fortunately for homeless vets I told him, there are veteran organizations that take it upon themselves to lobby congress and the White House for homeless vets.
If you had a 3rd, 4th, or even 5 major part system the divide and conquer game would not be so easily played by the Democrats and Republican leaders. Bearing in mind American political culture draws heavy on making appeals to Americans emotions and little on appeals to reason.
But a large number of Americans have been rebelling against the two party dictatorship. The Bernie supporters and the Trump supporters. The Tea Party was symptomatic of that rebellion too. The Dems and Reps had to use the media to play divide and conquer among the rebellion. So, the Tea Party and Trump people had to be portrayed as only one thing: racists. The Bernie crowd as only one thing: socialist radicals.
But the rebellion was really people of different views tired of the way the two party dictatorship has been running the country.
Here is a video discussion between Joe Rogan and Dan Carlin. They are part of that American population that does not neatly fall into the Democratic zealots or Republican zealots. Dan Carlin has a great podcast called Hardcore History. He is an outstanding storyteller. But he was at one time a news reporter. He had a beat covering politicians. Listen to what he says about how the actual political system operates, how one politician told him that US democracy runs by paying them (politicians) money and that if you have money they'll listen to your voice and even acknowledge your existence. If you have none they won't. And listen to how much time the politicians spend per day just trying to get money from people.
About the 35 minute mark on he begins, and maybe the 36 minute marks he talks about the money issue. To about the 1 hour and 40 minutes or mark I think they talk about the political system.
My life experience in the USA as a biracial mulatto, and looking at a country like Brazil, has changed my views on racially diverse societies. I believe in racially homogenous societies. I think such societies are better for the impoverished and for the unity and well being of the citizens in those nations as a whole. It is harder to play divide and conquer in those nations.
I would rather live happy and safe in Switzerland or Dubai than miserable and in danger of being violently attacked in the United States or Brazil.
I don't mind people looking like me. And if the Dominican Republic or Puerto Rico could ever become safe, nice places with good infrastructure and solid family structures remaining intact and the norm, I would rather live there were almost everyone looks like me rather than in a place of "diversity." As thought diversity alone bring happiness.
Didn't start out that way. I started out buying the lie that we are all for one, and one for all. But, as time has gone by and I started educating myself more on these issues and watching how both blacks and whites respond differently to the same facts, the more I've come to the inescapable conclusion that blacks and whites need to accept that we just have irreconcilable differences that aren't ever going away.
Again the problem is the government policy is to allow 1.5 million non white/non western immigrants in every year, then seed them in every white area. Liberals seek out every white area in the country and place nonwhites in the area. This is forced integration and forced colonization. We are seeing every white majority area that isn't upper class exclusive in price being flooded with non whites. That's extreme anti-white racism. At least when whites engaged in colonization they did it before the 1940's when the whole world operated under the right of conquest, were moving into mostly undeveloped areas
, and the natives had the right of resistance. The West is being not just multi colonized but invaded and conquered and directed from within.
I don't get why American blacks are so enamored with all this non-white and non-American black diversity. Hispanics and Asians don't really like blacks, less than whites do. Actually I do get it. Most blacks are for anything that's bad for whites and America even if it's bad for blacks too. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face.
This has to be one of the moronic, asinine things I have ever read on this forum, and that's saying a lot.
Thankfully, the backward basement dwellers who have been posting in this thread are nowhere near the majority, as the rest of us socially competent people are quite capable of living and working with other races.
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