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Old 08-27-2016, 04:05 PM
 
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While that is true for the non-driver. If the driver refuses to participate in a sobriety test, he will lose his driver license.
That is not answering a question.
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Old 08-27-2016, 04:06 PM
 
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No need to submit to the local police, walk where you want to go.
I have been harassed while walking.
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Old 08-27-2016, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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The courts have determined that sobriety checkpoint do not violate any constitutional rights. The Constitution delegates that authority to the court, not to you. If you refuse to cooperate, you will lose your right to drive. It's that simple. You have no constitutional right to operate a motor vehicle.
That's such a silly argument. The constitutional does not explicitly give you the right to spit in your bathtub either.

Clearly, the tenth amendment gives the people the power to spit in their bathtub and drive a car.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
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Old 08-27-2016, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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No need to submit to the local police, walk where you want to go.
Tell that to the innocent people in NYC who are stopped and frisked just because of the way they looked.
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Old 08-27-2016, 04:45 PM
 
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Tell that to the innocent people in NYC who are stopped and frisked just because of the way they looked.
I am 68 and was stopped while walking with my weapon, a cane.
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Old 08-27-2016, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Right on cue. From a sobriety checkpoint to cops killing. Thanks for being predictable.
An excellent example of a poster missing the forest for the trees.
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Old 08-28-2016, 03:57 AM
 
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An excellent example of a poster missing the forest for the trees.
A perfect example of someone that likes to use hyperbole and can't deal with a realistic response to how a normal person weighs options. You are free to react just like the kid in the video and I am free to give an answer and be on my way if I choose. It's really quite simple. As for your sensationalizing, one has nothing to do with the other, but please continue with your non sequiturs and Henny Penny type antics. I've been listening to people saying "the sky is falling" for years if we don't do "x". The sky looks just fine to me, but the scare tactics are always entertaining. Perhaps running down to City Hall with like minded people with pitchforks and sticks on fire will solve your dilemma.

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Old 08-28-2016, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The easy way to handle sobriety checkpoints is to be SOBER!


I do NOT want to share the roads with drunks, stoners or opiate users. I do not believe I have a duty to let myself be checked by the police for the above while I am using my car on a public road.
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Old 08-28-2016, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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The easy way to handle sobriety checkpoints is to be SOBER!


I do NOT want to share the roads with drunks, stoners or opiate users. I do not believe I have a duty to let myself be checked by the police for the above while I am using my car on a public road.
Would you support checkpoints at every intersection? Where do you draw the line?

I have a problem with these checkpoints because they violate reasonable suspicion laws. They treat everyone as guilty. It would be wrong for cops to pull over every single driver just to check if they have been drinking. So it should be wrong for checkpoints to be set up.

Pull over drivers who appear to be drunk, but do not punish those who are not.
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Old 08-28-2016, 11:08 AM
 
Location: United States
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The courts have determined that sobriety checkpoint do not violate any constitutional rights. The Constitution delegates that authority to the court, not to you. If you refuse to cooperate, you will lose your right to drive. It's that simple. You have no constitutional right to operate a motor vehicle.
I'm well aware that checkpoints have been ruled as legal. I said that checkpoints violate the intent of the 4th amendment.

Also, I never said anyone had a right to drive.

However, you do have the right to travel freely, including in a car, on public roads.

I'm not aware of any states where you have to answer questions at a checkpoint. Depending on the state, you only have to stop at the checkpoint, some states require you to show your paperwork.
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