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Old 08-29-2016, 11:35 AM
 
Location: In my skin
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Originally Posted by Cape Cod Todd View Post
I said it in another post about this but I will say it again.

Kaepernick you are paid ridiculous amounts of money to PLAY a Game. We do not care about your political views and if you really cared about black people you would be donating some of that money to the inner cities.
I don't really care if he converted, people fall in and out of their birth/ chosen faiths everyday.

What I don't want to see is him call a time out and whip out his prayer mat on the 50 yard line.

Christian, Muslim, Atheist, does it really matter? Just play ball and stand for the tradition of the National Anthem in a country that has given you the opportunity for everything you have.
He's paid to play ball. Not to shut up. Or stand for the anthem.

I'm going to leave this here for you folks to cho.....chew on. From a Navy veteran and a true example of what it actually means to be an American.

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"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

I've been away from the internet all day.I came home from a family picnic on the Blackwater River to find my inbox, as usual, overflowing like a ripe Port-O-Pottie.

One of the first messages I read was about 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, quoted above, who last Friday night at the beginning of a preseason game suddenly decided to become the most hated man in America du jour by deliberately not standing for the National Anthem. Yes, that's right, a football player didn't stand for the National Anthem.As you know, this means Kaepernick is scum, a horrible human being, a likely member of ISIS, a Muslim terrorist, a black thug, a communist, a socialist (and not the cool share your weed Bernie Sanders kind of socialist but the Red Brigade kind of Socialist who sleeps under a poster of Chairman Mao), a radical, a Black Panther, and he probably has Fidel Castro's phone number in his contact favorites.

Yeah. Okay.

I answered the message and went on to the next one. The next message was about Kaepernick. As was the next one. And the next one. And...They all begin pretty much the same way: Jim, AS A VETERAN, what do you think about this? Well? Let me answer all the messages at once.

AS A VETERAN, what do I think about Colin Kaepernick's decision to sit during the National Anthem?
As a veteran? Very well, as a veteran then, this is what I believe:

The very first thing I learned in the military is this: Respect is a two-way street. If you want respect, true respect, sincere respect, then you have to GIVE IT.

If you want respect, you have to do the things necessary to earn it each and every single day. There are no short cuts and no exceptions.

Respect cannot be compelled.

Respect cannot be bought.

Respect cannot be inherited.

Respect cannot be demanded at the muzzle of a gun or by beating it into somebody or by shaming them into it. Can not. You might get what you think is respect, but it's not. It's only the appearance of respect. It's fear, it's groveling, it's not respect.

Far, far too many people both in and out of the military, people who should emphatically know better, do not understand this simple fact: there is an enormous difference between fear and respect.

Respect has to be earned.

Respect. Has. To. Be. Earned.

Respect has to be earned every day, by every word, by every action.

It takes a lifetime of words and deeds to earn respect.It takes only one careless word, one thoughtless action, to lose it.

You have to be worthy of respect. You have to live up to, or at least do your best to live up to, those high ideals -- the ones America supposedly embodies, that shining city on the hill, that exceptional nation we talk about, yes, that one.

To earn respect you have to be fair. You have to have courage. You must embrace reason. You have to know when to hold the line and when to compromise. You have to take responsibility and hold yourself accountable. You have to keep your word. You have to give respect, true respect, to get it back.

There are no short cuts. None.

Now, any veteran worth the label should know that. If they don't, then likely they weren't much of a soldier to begin with and you can tell them I said so.

IF Kaepernick doesn't feel his country respects him enough for him to respect it in return, well, then you can't MAKE him respect it. You can not make him respect it.

If you try to force a man to respect you, you'll only make him respect you less.

With threats, by violence, by shame, you can maybe compel Kaepernick to stand up and put his hand over his heart and force him to be quiet. You might.

But that's not respect. It's only the illusion of respect.

You might force this man into the illusion of respect. You might. Would you be satisfied then? Would that make you happy? Would that make you respect your nation, the one which forced a man into the illusion of respect, a nation of little clockwork patriots all pretending satisfaction and respect? Is that what you want? If THAT's what matters to you, the illusion of respect, then you're not talking about freedom or liberty. You're not talking about the United States of America. Instead you're talking about every dictatorship from the Nazis to North Korea where people are lined up and MADE to salute with the muzzle of a gun pressed to the back of their necks.

That, that illusion of respect, is not why I wore a uniform.

That's not why I held up my right hand and swore the oath and put my life on the line for my country.

That, that illusion of respect, is not why I am a veteran. Not so a man should be forced to show respect he doesn't feel.

That's called slavery and I have no respect for that at all.

If Americans want this man to respect America, then first they must respect him.

If America wants the world's respect, it must be worthy of respect.

America must be worthy of respect. Torture, rendition, indefinite detention, unarmed black men shot down in the street every day, poverty, inequality, voter suppression, racism, bigotry in every form, obstructionism, blind patriotism, NONE of those things are worthy of respect from anybody -- least of all an American.

But doesn't it also mean that if Kaepernick wants respect, he must give it first? Give it to America? Be worthy of respect himself? Stand up, shut up, and put his hand over his heart before Old Glory?

No. It doesn't. Respect doesn't work that way.

Power flows from positive to negative. Electricity flows from greater potential to lesser.

The United States isn't a person, it's a vast construct, a framework of law and order and civilization designed to protect the weak from the ruthless and after more than two centuries of revision and refinement it exists to provide in equal measure for all of us the opportunity for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The United States is POWER.

All the power rests with America. Just as it does in the military chain of command. And like that chain of command, like the electrical circuit described above, respect must flow from greater to lesser FIRST before it can return.

To you the National Anthem means one thing, to Kaepernick it means something else. We are all shaped and defined by our experiences and we see the world through our own eyes. That's freedom. That's liberty. The right to believe differently. The right to protest as you will. The right to demand better. The right to believe your country can BE better, that it can live up to its sacred ideals, and the right to loudly note that it has NOT. The right to use your voice, your actions, to bring attention to the things you believe in. The right to want more for others, freedom, liberty, justice, equality, and RESPECT.

A true veteran might not agree with Colin Kaepernick, but a true veteran would fight to the death to protect his right to say what he believes.

You don't like what Kaepernick has to say? Then prove him wrong, BE the nation he can respect.

It's really just that simple.

- Jim Wright

https://www.facebook.com/Stonekettle...84172264951509
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Old 08-29-2016, 11:36 AM
 
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Great that Kaepernick exercised his freedom and rights.

Time for others to do the same and in the process allow Kaepernick to learn that there are consequences for everything you do, peotected by rights or not.

Don't watch a game in which any team he is associated with or plays with is on the field.

Harm others? Didn't people boycott all kinds of ither businesses and harm employees who had nothing to do with the issue? Didn't Occupy shot down ports and harm drivers through loss of pay, dock workers who couldn't get to work?

Didn't BLM block freeways and stop people from getting where they needed to go?

Well, time the higjly paid football players found out Kaepernicks actions affect them too. Time to.ket the advertisers and sponsors know too.
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Old 08-29-2016, 11:37 AM
 
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Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Kareem has always been a class act. I can't imagine him pulling a grandstanding act like this Kaepernick guy.
LMAO....that's revisionist.

At that time, changing your name and adopting Islam WAS grandstanding, and it was a much bigger deal than what Kap is being criticized for right now.

Kareem had also been one of the athletes that publicly took a stance in support of Muhammad Ali. Don't forget that.

You can say that Jabbar is a class act TODAY, but that's not what white Americans were saying back then.
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Old 08-29-2016, 11:40 AM
 
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Until you start posting some statistics to back your claims up, this means absolutely nothing.
Common knowledge on this issue doesn't need statistics.

Just because you don't know it doesn't mean its not true.

Life is not sports game.
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Old 08-29-2016, 11:41 AM
 
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You would also have a Civil Rights lawsuit against your employer for wrongful termination you moron.

Do you even know your rights as a citizen?
Ever heard of the code of conduct? What kind of a private company allows political discussion at all on their time?
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Old 08-29-2016, 11:42 AM
 
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There is never a right way to take such a stand in the eyes of folks who don't want to hear the truth.
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Old 08-29-2016, 11:45 AM
 
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There is never a right way to take such a stand in the eyes of folks who don't want to hear the truth.
Think anyone is listening to what Kaepernick says or do they see what he did?

For some people, the right to do something means its always right to do.
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Old 08-29-2016, 11:46 AM
 
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What culture? I have no idea what you're trying to say, partially because there isn't substance behind it.

yeah sure, lets pretend there is no intercity, black sub culture.


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It seems like you're trying to pin criminal behavior and shortcomings on a particular race, but there are many factors you choose to ignore here.
You are ignoring the dog on the flea.


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This "culture" you're talking about has less to do with liberalism if anything, and more to do with neoliberaiism, especially the welfare state.
So you are a fan of classical liberalism? OK and this means what to you? What classical liberal policies do you support that would put an end to a mass of grown men loafing around on the start of the work week?
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Old 08-29-2016, 11:48 AM
 
Location: London
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Maybe the FBI will tae a closer look at his online accounts. If you show openly this disrespect and have recently converted to Islam than it is should be a concern.
This ain't North Korea, where people are suspect for not worshipping the flag solemnly enough and/or for belonging to a religion.

What kind of country do you think this is? Or should be?
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Old 08-29-2016, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Black Americans STILL face prejudicism everday. But an employee on company time doesn't have First Amendment Rights on company time. He represents the Niners organization when wearing the jersey at the stadium and needs to act accordingly.
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