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Old 08-30-2016, 07:39 PM
 
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Thank you, you confirm what I said, because if you think "others exercising their rights", is suppose to "squash his rights", then you verify exactly what I said.

Has anyone stopped to consider what his stance of protest aims to pursue? All the comments are about him... what of the point and premise that is the basis of his protest??? Now, ask yourself, why have so many made that matter less???? is it because of the Premise and Stature of the Anthem or what? Those who say it desecrates the flag, then what of those who have burned or support the burning of the Flag.


You may have done it differently, I would have done it differently, but that is our options, the point is, what is the opinion on the basis of his protest. Not how much money he has, or if his career is in jeopardy, because that's all about money..... He evidently understood that before he chose his method of protest.... therefore, the matter is about the issues he is protesting. Not his money. So far there is nothing that said he burned a flag, and he said, when he see movement of change, he will stand for the Anthem. Is that his right? does he have the option?

Right now public opinion is mixed about his choice of method, but it is also mixed about his motivation for protest?
The question remains, 'what is the viewpoint about his points of motivation for protesting".
What proof can you offer than Kaeper thought about it any longer than it takes his police escort on game day?

The more likely scenario was this:

It isn't the first time he remained seated, he's done it before. No one noticed, no one really cared. Since he hasn't done squat for "the cause" it didn't matter because he doesn't matter.

That didn't sit well with Kaeper, he's a man of means mind you, not some nobody. So he had to spike some interest so he created some.

Then, the piece came out and he had what he wanted. Unfortunately he forgot rule #1, in that first interview, say something smart. He didn't, he mumbled some incredulous nonsense.

Then he forgot rule #2. The local media is going to interview you so there is a second change to gather thoughts and say something smart, making the first asinine thing said go away. Oh no, ol Kaeper proceeded to insult every police officer and deputy sherrif in the country try, not some of them, not the bad ones but ALL of them.

Then he forgot rule #3. That local media? They are on your side until prove you're an ashat which is what he did. That local media will then have an opposing view speaker on live to tear your rearend to shreds which is exactly what happened when ashat Kaeper said the police were less trained than a cosmotologist. He didn't say some to define his inane remark, he left it to include all police.

So a well prepared and well spoken, intelligent sounding spokesperson for a local Sheriff's office, a sworn officer at that, proceeded to outline the nearly two years of training and vetting each member of their sheriff's office receives before being assjgned to street duty. That doesn't include routine on the job and in-service training they get.

So Kaeper wnds up looking like he doesn't know what he's talking about and the dyed in the wool liberal media had to agree, Kaeper was stupid.

Now Kaeper is on record. He used his rights and sat on them.

Kaeper couldn't have solidifed his stupidity more had he farted into a megaphone.

Now its common practice that when someone says something you don't like on CD, go after the one posting if you have no counter arguments or try to twist what they say.

Have at it.
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Old 08-30-2016, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Salinas, CA
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Sorry. He says foolish things. That makes him a fool, as it does anyone who does the same -- actor, investor, football player, Indian chief. There is no reason to dignify his ignorance just because he is a celebrity.
Being concerned and outspoken about the relations between police and the communities they serve and protect is foolish and ignorant? Most of us believe solving that is essential going forward. That was his primary stated reason for sitting down during the National Anthem. People have the right to agree or disagree.

However, name calling is generally for people that have no valid argument.

As our likely future Vice President Tim Kaine (though I prefer Weld. Lol) remarked earlier this summer while smiling, about name calling tactics by Trump: "Most of us got over that in the 5th grade".

Agree to disagree.
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Old 08-30-2016, 09:27 PM
 
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Default Colin Kaepernick and political correctness

Let me preface this thread by stating that I do not condone Kaepernick sitting for the national anthem, but there is a bizarre hypocrisy developing around his actions. Trump and other politicians are champions of being "non-politically correct", yet they criticize Kaepernick when he decides to protest the anthem. If conservatives want to live in a society where political correctness is not respected, there should be no problem with not standing for the national anthem.

Interestingly enough, conservatives were telling Kaepernick to leave America if he thinks he can find a better country. Yet, according to Trump and posters on this forum, Obama is the antichrist and the country is going down the toilet. To me, it seems like the anti political correctness movement is really a desire for a pass to say openly racist/homophobic statements with no consequence.
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Old 08-30-2016, 09:29 PM
 
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Political correctness does not mean disrespecting/desecrating American symbols whether it be flag, anthem, soldier's grave, memorial, etc.
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Old 08-30-2016, 09:35 PM
 
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I agree with everything you wrote except the last part. You pointed out one of Trump's glaring flaws, which is that he won't commit 100% to the "America has gone down the toilet" stance. He wants to "make America great again", but if someone points out how America isn't great in a way trump doesn't like, he attacks them. If America has turned to crap (and I think it has), I'm not going to criticize someone because they aren't fawning over the flag enough. I don't agree with Kaepernick's reasoning, but he shouldn't fake patriotism.

On the other hand, there is Pollyanna Clinton singing about how things have never been better while he her is buried in the sand. It's a very strange time.
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Old 08-30-2016, 09:37 PM
 
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So far and is it likely even in imagination that Kaeper will be prevented from excercising his rights, politically correct or not?

Since when has the word "should" become mandatory except when used by liberal progressives in characterizing conservatives?

Liberal progressives have no play in the game when they are the first to boycott anyone in business who disagrees with them?

Just how many clarion calls have gone out to fire CEOs because they dared excericise their rights yet the liberal progressives demand they not do so at the work place no matter what?

Liberals demand a two way street so long as both ways are their ways.
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Old 08-30-2016, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Being concerned and outspoken about the relations between police and the communities they serve and protect is foolish and ignorant? Most of us believe solving that is essential going forward. That was his primary stated reason for sitting down during the National Anthem. People have the right to agree or disagree.

However, name calling is generally for people that have no valid argument.

As our likely future Vice President Tim Kaine (though I prefer Weld. Lol) remarked earlier this summer while smiling, about name calling tactics by Trump: "Most of us got over that in the 5th grade".

Agree to disagree.
Sure. But I must respectfully point out that presenting one side of the discussion using inflammatory cliches contributes nothing to the solution. And disrespecting the country that raised him, educated him, and made him rich is more characteristic of a fifth-grade attitude than that of a grown man.
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Old 08-30-2016, 09:45 PM
 
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Liberals are experts at linking disparities and saying they are one.

Well link this: exactly what has BLM done, what has Obama done to address the out of porpotion murder rate for black on black violence?

Don't talk about the police, they aren't the ones killing blacks in numbers that test history, blacks killing blacks are.

While you're at it, compare BOTH percentages and total when you talk about black on black and wgite on white murders, you love to claim the percentages are close but conveniently forget the actual numbers of those murdered in relation to the race.

Just what have liberals actually done? Not promised, not talked about...done.
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Old 08-30-2016, 09:46 PM
 
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To me, it seems like the anti political correctness movement is really a desire for a pass to say openly racist/homophobic statements with no consequence.
No anti-political correctness is the desire to not let one group decide and get to say what is politically correct and what's not. Politically correct is deciding what is free speech and what isn't and who gets free speech. I think certain politically correct terms are offensive and racist.

Those who are anti-political correct, don't say you can't ever criticize someone else speech. What we object to is one standard for one group and another for the other group.
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Old 08-30-2016, 09:50 PM
 
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Liberals are experts at linking disparities and saying they are one.

Well link this: exactly what has BLM done, what has Obama done to address the out of porpotion murder rate for black on black violence?

Don't talk about the police, they aren't the ones killing blacks in numbers that test history, blacks killing blacks are.

While you're at it, compare BOTH percentages and total when you talk about black on black and wgite on white murders, you love to claim the percentages are close but conveniently forget the actual numbers of those murdered in relation to the race.

Just what have liberals actually done? Not promised, not talked about...done.
1. Police violence isn't a federal issue, I don't know how this is related.

2. Until recently, conservatives have had a monopoly on "moral righteousness". It's concerning that the left appears to be going off the deep end as well, but the anti gay marriage, anti-abortion crowd still dominates conservative politics.
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