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Old 08-30-2016, 09:42 AM
 
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Obama supported the toppling of secular leaning dictators for Islamist regimes across the Middle East.

His support for the fascist Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt still baffles minds.

The only revolution that he did not support was the 2009 Green Revolution in Iran against the Mullahs.

Islamophilic Democrats have strongly supported Islamists - consistently.

Yes indeed he supported what no US President ever should have and could have helped the future in Iran for the better.
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Old 08-30-2016, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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And he is spot on. I have said this myself, that Obama's policies are responsible for the instability in the Middle East which birthed ISIS, including his foolish announcement to the world (and the enemy) that we were withdrawing from Iraq, but also the phony 'Arab Spring' which was also the work of Barack Obama Exposed: Obama

Trump backed away (sort of), but he wasn't wrong. This writer explains:
Articles: Yes, Obama Is a Founder of ISIS
Bush signed an agreement, Status of Forces Agreement ( SOFA) on 12/14/2008 that bound the US to withdraw all troops from Iraqi territory no later than 12/31/2011. The troop withdrawal began immediately.

The Obama Admin urged Iraq to approve a modification to leave a residual force behind. Iraq declined.

Guess Obama could have compelled forces to remain in Iraq in clear violation of SOFA and against the explicit wishes of the Iraqi government and the American people.

When interest on debt and VA benefits are factored in, the Iraq War cost $6 Trillion.

Fiscal responsibility should have compelled taxes to be raised to pay off war debt as it was being incurred. Instead, a tax cut bone was tossed to the people.
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Old 08-30-2016, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia Area
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And he is spot on. I have said this myself, that Obama's policies are responsible for the instability in the Middle East which birthed ISIS, including his foolish announcement to the world (and the enemy) that we were withdrawing from Iraq, but also the phony 'Arab Spring' which was also the work of Barack Obama Exposed: Obama

Trump backed away (sort of), but he wasn't wrong. This writer explains:
Articles: Yes, Obama Is a Founder of ISIS
Don't you people get it?

The left in all Western Countries are completely communist controlled. The International banking families funded communism to the tune of 10's of millions of dollars then proceeded to kill 60 million Orthodox Russian Christians.

They're anti-white, anti-European, anti-Western Civilization, anti-Christian and are using muslims and other illegal third world immigrants to take down Western Countries. Any person who supports them and is of European heritage is either a traitor, a self hater, simply ignorant and no matter the reason has a death wish. Because death is what "They" want from you and have in store for, if not yourself, then your children or grandchildren.

Supporting any leftist politician is equivalent to picking up the shovel and digging the hole they'll put you in. Look to South Africa if you want to see your future and even a lot of uncovered crimes here. Like the illegal in Philly who was let loose because Philly is a sanctuary city and proceeded to rape a 13 year old little girl. Of course Obama and Hillary not so clandestinely support ISIS and radical Islam since they're a tool to take down the West. Heck Hillary has the father of a terrorist sit behind her at rallies and a Muslim lawyer who helps keep other radicals in the country when they're supposed to go home speak at her convention. Look at how mad they are at Putin for Russia stepping in in Syria. Of course it's not really Hillary and Obama and 1/2 of the Republican Party that are for this sinister agenda as much as it is the illuminist, zionist, international banking cartel they're all beholden to.
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Old 08-30-2016, 10:13 AM
 
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Bush signed an agreement, Status of Forces Agreement ( SOFA) on 12/14/2008 that bound the US to withdraw all troops from Iraqi territory no later than 12/31/2011. The troop withdrawal began immediately.

The Obama Admin urged Iraq to approve a modification to leave a residual force behind. Iraq declined.

Guess Obama could have compelled forces to remain in Iraq in clear violation of SOFA and against the explicit wishes of the Iraqi government and the American people.

When interest on debt and VA benefits are factored in, the Iraq War cost $6 Trillion.

Fiscal responsibility should have compelled taxes to be raised to pay off war debt as it was being incurred. Instead, a tax cut bone was tossed to the people.
Obama & Hillary did not try very hard to renegotiate.

They gave in too easily and made a big mistake of which we are paying for now.
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Old 08-30-2016, 10:19 AM
 
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On the eve of the invasion of Iraq the Arab League pleaded with the US to not invade Iraq and stated that toppling Saddam would make the entire region unstable. I remember watching that on TV before the invasion. Predicting the past is much easier than predicting the future. What would have happened if Obama refused to honour the agreement with Iraq or supported the brutal dictators of Islamic people against their people? Are all of you certain with no doubt in your mind that all would be fine with the region and the world. Was helping the rebels fight the Soviets in Afghanistan the best idea, maybe not as good now then it was at the time.


America destabilized an entire region and then some of you think that is the problem for the people who were there not of any fault of yours as you did not care what happened to them. The majority of the people in the US at the time supported the invasion but perhaps not now. Obama inherited the problem and no matter how much you say that it is his fault he was left with a problem. The US did not even have a proper strategy for dealing with Iraq after Saddam was toppled and that is perhaps the entire cause of this problem, a lack of a way forward that actually took the peoples of Iraq into account. But the US treated it more like if they through out the Governor of Nebraska then toppling a brutal dictator in a country with two opposing factions and no real leader to unite the population once the fear of Saddam was gone.


Did Obama do a perfect job there? Probably not but to blame him for the mess that there is pure politics.
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Old 08-30-2016, 10:24 AM
 
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Oh, snap, you are on a roll.

P.S. you know that Obama is holding back the aliens and allowing them to gain a foothold before they take over (aliens from millions of light years away, that is). First thing they will do is take your guns away and then they will reveal that Obama is their leader and is also an alien from their galaxy that practices Islam and lives by sharia law. Then they will reveal how they are called ISIS (like we are called Humans). Boo!
If he changed the name Obama for Putin you'd be in total agreement. So, it's not as if you as a Democrat think rationally and freely. Your mind is chained to the clutched fists of your party leaders. All Hilary has to do is come out making emotional appeals, speaking about how great America is, and demonizing Putin and you'd Democrats would be every bit like the audiences rocking back and forth before a cult leader.

The furtilization for ISIS goes back to the invasion of Iraq under Bush but it has continued under the Obama/Democratic Party regime. Ergo, Iraqi people can be seen on YouTube putting down the United Stats for telling blatant lies, because they were never bombing ISIS, only Russia was they say. They are hardcore Putin and Russian lovers, but view Americans as liars and propaganda artists that have no serious will to defeat ISIS.

Charismatic psychopaths are very good at knowing what people want and appealing to that, whilst having no real empathy in terms of emotional sympathies for their sufferings. Such psychopaths are disproportionately--and drawn--to certain professions like politics. One characteristic of them is they flip flop easily as it suits their own ambitions for power. About 1 percent of the female population are psychopaths. About 4 percent of the male population are. I don't think Obama is a psychopath. But it would not surprise me if Hilary Clinton is. And it would not surprise me if nuclear war occurs under her regime.

Bear that in mind next time she makes an emotional appeal argument (not logical argument) that she always knew Putin was evil because he once worked for the KGB. She and her husband years ago had no problem working with that evil man to sell rights to American uranium mines to the Russian government. Her husband made a half million dollars through Russian banks tied to the Kremlin and that once KGB and evil man.

Unlike her and the emotional rhetoric of American politicians Putin can be seen here speaking rationally to journalists about who in fact helped give rise to ISIS.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuceU3x2Ww
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Old 08-30-2016, 10:29 AM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Hillary and Obama did favor the Arab Spring and need to own up to it. Iraq is on Bush, Arab Spring is on them. For some reason in Syria they seemed to back pedal on removing Assad from power and instead tried backing moderate rebels. At this point I don't think there is a good answer. I do know that those borders were artificially drawn and that Syria and Iraq did much better when ruled from Istanbul.
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Old 08-30-2016, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Florida
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And he is spot on. I have said this myself, that Obama's policies are responsible for the instability in the Middle East which birthed ISIS, including his foolish announcement to the world (and the enemy) that we were withdrawing from Iraq, but also the phony 'Arab Spring' which was also the work of Barack Obama Exposed: Obama

Trump backed away (sort of), but he wasn't wrong. This writer explains:
Articles: Yes, Obama Is a Founder of ISIS
Did you know that there is history prior to 2008? This is pretty much a Bush/Cheney production.

Might want to learn some of it. Let Trump know also.

A brief history of ISIS

ISIS Senior Leader Reveals: Terror Group Was Born in American Prison in Iraq

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ors-isis-jihad

How a US prison camp helped create ISIS | New York Post
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Old 08-30-2016, 10:51 AM
 
Location: North America
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Did you know that there is history prior to 2008? This is pretty much a Bush/Cheney production.

Might want to learn some of it. Let Trump know also.

A brief history of ISIS

ISIS Senior Leader Reveals: Terror Group Was Born in American Prison in Iraq

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ors-isis-jihad

How a US prison camp helped create ISIS | New York Post
They won't read your links, they don't want to think about anything out of Trump's one-liners. When Trump uttered that great big pile of stupid, the first thing I did was look up the origins of ISIS. Too bad the Trump followers didn't do the same.

My dad used to say "There's ignorant, and there's stupid. Ignorant means you don't know. Stupid means you don't want to know." Smart man, my father.
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Old 08-30-2016, 10:51 AM
 
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Hillary and Obama did favor the Arab Spring and need to own up to it. Iraq is on Bush, Arab Spring is on them. For some reason in Syria they seemed to back pedal on removing Assad from power and instead tried backing moderate rebels. At this point I don't think there is a good answer. I do know that those borders were artificially drawn and that Syria and Iraq did much better when ruled from Istanbul.


The US was also not the only Western Country involved in either Libya or Syria nor should it be the one and only country that gets to decide who rules other countries. And certainly not by themselves when others are fighting the fight as well. France flew lots of air strikes in Libya as did several other NATO countries.


In the long run I hope the Arab Spring is a good thing. For countries to always remain under a strong and brutal dictator is not good for those people even if it makes us safer over here. But if the population gets rid of a dictator do not demand they must replace it with a friendly to the US leader though it would be best if the new government was pro western or at least neutral but for it to have to be makes it not a sovereign nation nor will it ever be that way.
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