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Old 08-31-2016, 06:53 PM
 
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There's plenty of options available to Trump as president to debit some or all of the monetary transfers going to Mexico.

 
Old 08-31-2016, 07:04 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
It is my understanding that he was going to pay by taxing remittances. If that is true, it's nothing that Mexico would actually be involved. So why bring it up?

Now Now...you would have to ad actually read something to know this....but that's too much to be expected from the liberals on this board.

It's amazing how casually ignorant the alt-left is. It has clearly been outlined on his campaign website for almost a a year now. The Wall is to be paid for by Mexico through taxes and fees...not a direct check from the government.
 
Old 08-31-2016, 07:21 PM
 
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From the OP...

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Originally Posted by Shankapotomus View Post
Trump has been shooting his mouth off about how Mexico is going to pay for the wall.

But when he gets his chance to tell it to the Mexican government to their face, he chickens out.

What a paper tiger.

That'll show 'em, Trumpy!
Geez - can he at least meet the guy first? Did he change any of his standards? Do you expect him to browbeat the Mexican president into paying for the wall?

He can't win if he makes a diplomatic visit.

He can't win if he hard lines on the wall.

Typical unrealistic standards...
 
Old 08-31-2016, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change View Post
You seem to like mis-information, more than gaining real information and facing up to it.

It was Mexican Labor that built all the houses in Arizona, Texas, California, Las Vegas and all the other places that had this massive building boom in the 80's 90's and early 2000's. It has been the same so called illegal labor that has prepared the meals that you have eaten when you go to your so called marquee eateries, and it was Mexican housekeepers who raised many of your kids, and the list goes on. Trump still hunts them down to be seasonal workers at this resorts, rather than to pay American's a living wage to do these jobs, at the rate he charges for services, he could pay American's a living wage and still make a reasonable profit, but he does not want a reasonable profit, he wants profit that is on par with what Slave Plantation Owners pursued.

The only time Mexicans became an issue of concern was after the "Elite White Business Owners and Executives, Outsourced Jobs to Asian Countries. Instead of blaming White people blaming the Elite White Business Owners and Executives, as they are whom really are the one who sold all the jobs away, for the sake of greed, but to many whites its easier for the general right wing white to blame anyone "Except" the Elite White Business Owners and Executives. So they blame the same Mexicans, the very same Mexicans white society solicited to come and work for them, knowing they and to be illegals to come and do all the jobs that people nearly hunted them down to come and work for them. The next ones they want to blame is any minority. but white society will never look at themselves and see they (white society) is the basis of creation of the problems and has been and continue to be the problems that plague America's Economic System.

Mexicans only became a problem when these same Mexicans showed they were smart enough to save their money and start buying homes, and opening business, and when they would no longer work all day for $20 dollars, then and only then did the mass of right leaning white society get furiously angry at them. The whites got more angry when suddenly all the jobs they once did not want to do, now they want to take those jobs back from the same Mexicans they once pursued like mad to come and do those jobs. Only now that the "Elite White Business Owners and Executives, Outsourced Jobs to Asian Countries", suddenly now, right leaning white society want to "cut grass", and fill the roadways with trucks now hunting those jobs, they never would have done 15-20 yrs ago. Still they want to blame anyone except the "Elite White Business Owners and Executives, who Outsourced Jobs to Asian Countries. These are the same white men who complain, but they can't even see, they are using Lawn Tractors made in the Same Asian Countries, that the "Elite White Business Owners and Executives, Outsourced those Jobs to these Asian Countries, but these right leaning white society have said not one word against the "Elite White Business Owners and Executives, Outsourced Jobs to Asian Countries, nor have they made any effort to tell these "Elite White Business Owners and Executives, who Outsourced Jobs to Asian Countries, to bring back the manufacturing jobs and build those tractors and lawn equipment on American soil.
To much of the right leaning white society, its easier to simply blame minorities...... That's the Insanity of It All.


It's no different than how the white people lived off of Slave Labor for 100's of years, and when they could no longer get free slave wage labor, the first thing out of their mouth was to call black people lazy. He saw them as being lazy because they would not work for free and would not work for pennies.

All one has to do is pay attention to the delusional whites who think they are superior, then one can understand how they are consumed with 'wild expectations and lust to get something for nothing", and when they can't get it for nothing anymore, they vilify the same groups they abusively misused and took from and used violence of every sort to force them to give free labor or next to nothing pay for nearly free labor.

The young white kids who are toddlers today and the many other diverse ethnic kids who are toddlers today, see all this madness, and when they grow up, they will come together and work together with all ethnicities of people, they will live together, marry together, raise families together, and they will build a far better system than exist today.
By then; the right winger baby boomers will have died off, and the younger generations will reject their bigoted, racist ideals, and they young generation will want no part of the Antebellum style processes of the systems of today. They will look back and see how the baby boomer generation built up and then sold off everything, they sold off everything that was built up before their birth, they sold off anything they could manage to sell for short term selfish gains, because they had no sense to respect legacy business, all they wanted was to push a delusion of some fictitious white superiority ignorance and worship money, and demonstrated they would do anything without conscience for those aims.

Yes, The young white kids who are toddlers today and the many other diverse ethnic kids who are toddlers today, see all this madness, and when they grow up, they will come together and work together with all ethnicities of people, they will live together, marry together, raise families together, and they will build a far better system than exist today. .
YEP,Get angry all you want, and try and infect the young minds if you choose, but fact is over time, they will reject the ignorance you are promoting.

For 45 yrs, young white kids grow up, go off to school or move away from where their parents have promote bigotry, they don't even come back to claim the land or anything when the parents pass on, they simply sell it off from a distance, because they want no part of the bigoted environments their parents supported and contributed to. They might come for holidays, but they have their own plans to limit the time they have to tolerate their parents bigoted spews. Eventually, the Rural living young white kids who are toddlers today and the many other diverse ethnic kids who are toddlers today, see all this madness, and they come together and work together, live together, marry together, raise families together, and they will build a far better system than exist today, and they will too reject all this ignorance that is raging today.

If they by some means stumble upon some of these current day threads in the future, and read all this vitriol being spewed, this will serve only as records of the ignorance and stupidity of which they will reject, and they will do all they can to ensure it is never to be a part in their lives and the lives of their future or that of their children and their children's children.

Pay attention, once the mid 1960's brought in Civil Rights, many many white people no longer hand to be afraid to mix and mingle with other people of minority groups. they no longer had to fear retribution from the racist whites whom they knew would attack them for even being friends and associating with minorities. When they became free to mix and mingle without all people without tripping on skin color, as they grow up, are still coming together and working together with all ethnicities of people, they are comfortable to live together, marry together, raise families together, and they continue to build a far better system than exist before...... !!! Sadly, there are the die hard bigots and racist and delusional people who would like to re-create a system of delusions of superiority, but many have no concern, interest and want no part of such stupidity. The Right Wingers and Far Right Wingers are now anguished, because that past they lust for, is fading away more and more every day. The more it fades, the louder they scream and holler, but the new generations want no part of that silliness and they don't care for that madness.
You must have a lot of time on your hands.

You would probably label me a right winger. My wife, and most of my friends, are people of color.

If you want to see a racist simply look in the mirror.
 
Old 08-31-2016, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Trump not only chickened out; he lied about it. As it turns out, Pena Nieto told Trump at the outset that Mexico was not paying for the wall. Trump cowered and said nothing. Then Trump told the world it was not discussed. I suppose his fawning supporters will say it was not actually discussed, because Trump just bowed his head and said nada. You don't really have a discussion when one party is laying down the law on you.
 
Old 08-31-2016, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Drumpf may just begin to act like he never even went to Mexico.

His followers will pretend along with him.

 
Old 08-31-2016, 07:37 PM
 
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First off it's not only whites that have hired illegal aliens. Why should regular law abiding Americans regardless of their race have pay for the neglect by our government and the greediness of these employers with an amnesty for illegal aliens? Americans need their jobs back and we need to send a clear message the illegal immigration will neither be tolerated nor rewards. And by the way the illegals are just as guilty. No one forced them over the border or forced them to take a job illegally in our country. No one forced them to use a fake or stolen SS number which is a felony and no one forced them to work for cash evading taxes. I am sick and tired of those who put no blame on the illegals themselves. There is a threefold blame here...the employers, our government and the illegals themselves and they are all equally guilty.


We law abiding Americans didn't ask them to build houses, work in restaurants and any number of jobs that Americans have always done for a fair wage. Nor did we need them for those jobs as they stole them from Americans. Objecting to illegal immigration has nothing to so with skin color, race, or ethnicity. It has nothing to do with bigotry or racism it's about our laws. We embrace legal immigration from all over the world. So those who pull the race card on this issue can shove it where the sun don't shine!
 
Old 08-31-2016, 07:39 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change View Post
You seem to like mis-information, more than gaining real information and facing up to it.

It was Mexican Labor that built all the houses in Arizona, Texas, California, Las Vegas and all the other places that had this massive building boom in the 80's 90's and early 2000's. It has been the same so called illegal labor that has prepared the meals that you have eaten when you go to your so called marquee eateries, and it was Mexican housekeepers who raised many of your kids, and the list goes on. Trump still hunts them down to be seasonal workers at this resorts, rather than to pay American's a living wage to do these jobs, at the rate he charges for services, he could pay American's a living wage and still make a reasonable profit, but he does not want a reasonable profit, he wants profit that is on par with what Slave Plantation Owners pursued.

The only time Mexicans became an issue of concern was after the "Elite White Business Owners and Executives, Outsourced Jobs to Asian Countries. Instead of blaming White people blaming the Elite White Business Owners and Executives, as they are whom really are the one who sold all the jobs away, for the sake of greed, but to many whites its easier for the general right wing white to blame anyone "Except" the Elite White Business Owners and Executives. So they blame the same Mexicans, the very same Mexicans white society solicited to come and work for them, knowing they and to be illegals to come and do all the jobs that people nearly hunted them down to come and work for them. The next ones they want to blame is any minority. but white society will never look at themselves and see they (white society) is the basis of creation of the problems and has been and continue to be the problems that plague America's Economic System.

Mexicans only became a problem when these same Mexicans showed they were smart enough to save their money and start buying homes, and opening business, and when they would no longer work all day for $20 dollars, then and only then did the mass of right leaning white society get furiously angry at them. The whites got more angry when suddenly all the jobs they once did not want to do, now they want to take those jobs back from the same Mexicans they once pursued like mad to come and do those jobs. Only now that the "Elite White Business Owners and Executives, Outsourced Jobs to Asian Countries", suddenly now, right leaning white society want to "cut grass", and fill the roadways with trucks now hunting those jobs, they never would have done 15-20 yrs ago. Still they want to blame anyone except the "Elite White Business Owners and Executives, who Outsourced Jobs to Asian Countries. These are the same white men who complain, but they can't even see, they are using Lawn Tractors made in the Same Asian Countries, that the "Elite White Business Owners and Executives, Outsourced those Jobs to these Asian Countries, but these right leaning white society have said not one word against the "Elite White Business Owners and Executives, Outsourced Jobs to Asian Countries, nor have they made any effort to tell these "Elite White Business Owners and Executives, who Outsourced Jobs to Asian Countries, to bring back the manufacturing jobs and build those tractors and lawn equipment on American soil.
To much of the right leaning white society, its easier to simply blame minorities...... That's the Insanity of It All.


It's no different than how the white people lived off of Slave Labor for 100's of years, and when they could no longer get free slave wage labor, the first thing out of their mouth was to call black people lazy. He saw them as being lazy because they would not work for free and would not work for pennies.

All one has to do is pay attention to the delusional whites who think they are superior, then one can understand how they are consumed with 'wild expectations and lust to get something for nothing", and when they can't get it for nothing anymore, they vilify the same groups they abusively misused and took from and used violence of every sort to force them to give free labor or next to nothing pay for nearly free labor.

The young white kids who are toddlers today and the many other diverse ethnic kids who are toddlers today, see all this madness, and when they grow up, they will come together and work together with all ethnicities of people, they will live together, marry together, raise families together, and they will build a far better system than exist today.
By then; the right winger baby boomers will have died off, and the younger generations will reject their bigoted, racist ideals, and they young generation will want no part of the Antebellum style processes of the systems of today. They will look back and see how the baby boomer generation built up and then sold off everything, they sold off everything that was built up before their birth, they sold off anything they could manage to sell for short term selfish gains, because they had no sense to respect legacy business, all they wanted was to push a delusion of some fictitious white superiority ignorance and worship money, and demonstrated they would do anything without conscience for those aims.

Yes, The young white kids who are toddlers today and the many other diverse ethnic kids who are toddlers today, see all this madness, and when they grow up, they will come together and work together with all ethnicities of people, they will live together, marry together, raise families together, and they will build a far better system than exist today. .
YEP,Get angry all you want, and try and infect the young minds if you choose, but fact is over time, they will reject the ignorance you are promoting.

For 45 yrs, young white kids grow up, go off to school or move away from where their parents have promote bigotry, they don't even come back to claim the land or anything when the parents pass on, they simply sell it off from a distance, because they want no part of the bigoted environments their parents supported and contributed to. They might come for holidays, but they have their own plans to limit the time they have to tolerate their parents bigoted spews. Eventually, the Rural living young white kids who are toddlers today and the many other diverse ethnic kids who are toddlers today, see all this madness, and they come together and work together, live together, marry together, raise families together, and they will build a far better system than exist today, and they will too reject all this ignorance that is raging today.

If they by some means stumble upon some of these current day threads in the future, and read all this vitriol being spewed, this will serve only as records of the ignorance and stupidity of which they will reject, and they will do all they can to ensure it is never to be a part in their lives and the lives of their future or that of their children and their children's children.

Pay attention, once the mid 1960's brought in Civil Rights, many many white people no longer hand to be afraid to mix and mingle with other people of minority groups. they no longer had to fear retribution from the racist whites whom they knew would attack them for even being friends and associating with minorities. When they became free to mix and mingle without all people without tripping on skin color, as they grow up, are still coming together and working together with all ethnicities of people, they are comfortable to live together, marry together, raise families together, and they continue to build a far better system than exist before...... !!! Sadly, there are the die hard bigots and racist and delusional people who would like to re-create a system of delusions of superiority, but many have no concern, interest and want no part of such stupidity. The Right Wingers and Far Right Wingers are now anguished, because that past they lust for, is fading away more and more every day. The more it fades, the louder they scream and holler, but the new generations want no part of that silliness and they don't care for that madness.

What a ridiculous, lying, racist rant!
 
Old 08-31-2016, 07:43 PM
 
Location: USA
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Now Now...you would have to ad actually read something to know this....but that's too much to be expected liberals on this board.

It's amazing how casually ignorant the alt-left is. It has clearly been outlined on his campaign website for almost a a year now. The Wall is to be paid for by Mexico through taxes and fees...not a direct check from the government.
Sounds practical.

I would have been happy if the current administration did something about the immigrant Felons that killed after being released multiple times without deportation.
 
Old 08-31-2016, 07:46 PM
 
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It is my understanding that he was going to pay by taxing remittances. If that is true, it's nothing that Mexico would actually be involved. So why bring it up?
He's not gonna tax remittances either. That's just more meat being thrown to the dumbest lions in the pride.

Mexicans can EASILY avoid that tax.

In any case, I knew he'd punk out.
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