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We already have a pathway to citizenship for those who come in to the country legally. We already have mechanisms for people to come into the country legally. Why in the world should we do anything for those who come here illegally? There are billions of poor people in the world. Must we allow all of them in? There is nothing in Hillary's plan that would stop the flow across our open southern border.
That's not true. Besides the 800,000 possible over a million family immigration visas, at least 150,000 employment based permanent immigrants are allowed per year, plus 50,000 lottery, etc, plus 3.4 million or many more million temporary work visas, and Mexico is a top country to receive all those visas. Why do we need to issue any of them permanent immigration visas work or family based or even temporary work visas in the first place? We are overfilled. If you're a citizen of Mexico or latin America, stay there and sort out your own problems, don't bring them here.
If you come from certain countries (not just western hemisphere countries), you are ineligible for immigrant work visas and lottery visas.
Temporary work visas are not dual intent (except for H1Bs), so there is no path to permanent residency or citizenship through those. (If they were dual intent, that alone would radical alter legal and illegal immigration.)
There is no such thing as "anti illegal" , there is law supporting and law abiding.
In the same light, there is no such thing as undocumented immigrant unless rhe immigrant nit yey a citizen had legal documents to be here and lost them. No documents ither than that, they are illegally in the US.
Those in the third group should not be here, do not belong here and are destructive to the country bexause they are here. Destructive means they use resources that once used are not suitable for reuse by anyone except perhaps a composting pile for non-edible plants.
Why should it even be a question because none exists unless it is fabricated to twist meanings, circumvent our laws and degrade our society.
The idea that they contribute to our economy is a non-starter, so do gasoline engine cars as we're trying to get rid of them too.
Why we need to eatablish a path to legitimacy and citizenship for those who disregard our laws challenges sanity. By its very nature, that path is discriminatory at even the most basic level, favoring illegal behavior by rewarding it with the goal sought through illegal means and methods.
Anyone in the country illegally (not an error, not a loss od documents) should be barred from US citizenship for life. The best they should be able to hope for is a temporary visit visa after waiting 10 years to apply for it.
We have in this country poor people, citizens fir crying out loud who aren't afforded the help we give freely to illegal immigrants.
Just because an illegal immigrant obtains a job and mihjt pay some taxes is irrelevant, since when does having a job and paying a tax allow anyone including our own citizens to not only violate our laws but then be rewarded for it?
How dare anyone say that sending illegal immigrants back to their own country breaks up familiea when it is the illegal immigrant who created the problem in the first place?
Either we have laws or we don't. If we as a Nation disregard our current laws, then by what right can we imprison anyone for violating any law?
Its a law, not a policy. It is the fabric of our society, not some good intention. It is what is legal and what is not, not what some alternative society flavor of the daynself serving, conniving brain dead politicians think it should be nor what a President more concerned with a legacy than the very country that entrusted them to upholdnand protect our country and its Constitution thinks it should be.
We already have a pathway to citizenship for those who come in to the country legally. We already have mechanisms for people to come into the country legally. Why in the world should we do anything for those who come here illegally? There are billions of poor people in the world. Must we allow all of them in? There is nothing in Hillary's plan that would stop the flow across our open southern border.
Agreed.
MUCH better that illegal aliens STAY illegal compared to giving the despicable kind amnesty. Period. Tho stopping birthright citizenship for ANY US born kid unless at least least 1 parent's a US citizen will put a stop to a lot of this ^^^
The title of the thread is not my words, it's from Hillary Clinton's website.
I know there's an Illegal Immigration forum, however, I didn't want to post this there because it gets a little "broken record" and preaching to the crowd. If this gets moved so be it, but I'd like to hear from more than primarily the "anti-illegal" crowd.
Trump's "extreme" immigration policies have been all over the news this past year, and I know Hillary's plans are "different".
I heard on the radio recently someone saying that Hillary wants to make illegal aliens/undocumented workers/whatever actual citizens and thought it was an over the top claim so decided to look it up, but skipping any Breitbart articles.
But it does seem to be true! We have Trump being all extreme on one side (round them up!) and Hillary being all extreme on the other side! (make them all citizens!)
one of these people are going to be our President!!
Is there any solution in the middle? Is there no common sense?
Beef up the border to put the plug in the jug
E-verify
Go to the prisons and definitely kick out the criminals
The one's who are here illegally leave them alone, (is that a form of amnesty?) but for goodness sake don't give citizenship! There are people all over the world of many colors (this isn't an us vs. them issue or race thing to me, it's a common sense thing!) waiting for years to LEGALLY come here FFS! They are the one's who should be rewarded!
And yes, E-Verify for employers!
I pretty much thought of myself as a "Nevertrump moderate Pub" toying with the Johnson...
and I really really don't like Trump he's rude and gross! But now I'm starting to think he may not be the crazy one after all!
I'm sorry, but I have to ask... what the heck is she trying to do here???
She might be a sincere and true believer about all this making her crazy with misdirected loyalties...
Or she's a corrupt power hungry uber ambitious "House of Cards" style politician wanting that big prize...
Could be both... I hate 2016!!
Sorry, I'm just soooo frustrated.
>Introduce comprehensive immigration reform. Hillary will introduce comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to full and equal citizenship within her first 100 days in office. It will treat every person with dignity, fix the family visa backlog, uphold the rule of law, protect our borders and national security, and bring millions of hardworking people into the formal economy.
>End the three- and 10-year bars. The three- and 10-year bars force families—especially those whose members have different citizenship or immigration statuses—into a heartbreaking dilemma: remain in the shadows, or pursue a green card by leaving the country and loved ones behind.
>Defend President Obama’s executive actions—known as DACA and DAPA—against partisan attacks. The Supreme Court’s deadlocked decision on DAPA was a heartbreaking reminder of how high the stakes are in this election. Hillary believes DAPA is squarely within the president’s authority and won’t stop fighting until we see it through. The estimated 5 million people eligible for DAPA—including DREAMers and parents of Americans and lawful residents—should be protected under the executive actions.
>Do everything possible under the law to protect families. If Congress keeps failing to act on comprehensive immigration reform, Hillary will enact a simple system for those with sympathetic cases—such as parents of DREAMers, those with a history of service and contribution to their communities, or those who experience extreme labor violations—to make their case and be eligible for deferred action.
>Enforce immigration laws humanely. Immigration enforcement must be humane, targeted, and effective. Hillary will focus resources on detaining and deporting those individuals who pose a violent threat to public safety, and ensure refugees who seek asylum in the U.S. have a fair chance to tell their stories.
>End family detention and close private immigration detention centers. Hillary will end family detention for parents and children who arrive at our border in desperate situations and close private immigrant detention centers.
>Expand access to affordable health care to all families. We should let families—regardless of immigration status—buy into the Affordable Care Act exchanges. Families who want to purchase health insurance should be able to do so.
Promote naturalization. Hillary will work to expand fee waivers to alleviate naturalization costs, increase access to language programs to encourage English proficiency, and increase outreach and education to help more people navigate the process.
>Support immigrant integration. Hillary will create a national Office of Immigrant Affairs, support affordable integration services through $15 million in new grant funding for community navigators and similar organizations, and significantly increase federal resources for adult English language education and citizenship education.
But there has always been a path to full citizenship. It's called apply for legal immigration like everybody else!!!
If you come from certain countries (not just western hemisphere countries), you are ineligible for immigrant work visas and lottery visas.
Temporary work visas are not dual intent (except for H1Bs), so there is no path to permanent residency or citizenship through those. (If they were dual intent, that alone would radical alter legal and illegal immigration.)
What countries are ineligible for immigrant work visa and lottery, and why should they be eligible? And why do foreigners need permanent residency visas, not just temporary ones? I don't even agree with all the temporary employment visas. How many people do you think should be allowed to legally immigrate to the US? Millions more? Billions?
I look at it like the war on drugs... We lost that so I'm for decriminalization of ALL drugs.
On immigration... Yes I know they broke laws, and I'm not saying that should be glossed over. However, logistically, you can't round up 11-18 million people and deport them. Hell that would be so expensive we'd need another quant stove easing! How to prevent it in the first place, there are already some know methods: e-verify, extremely harsh fines and/or sentences for owners/farmers who hire, etc...
But what to do with those hear:
30 days notice to register. If you don't and are caught, immediate deportation with forfeiture of all property, bank accounts. You leave with the clothes on your back.
After registering you are on a 5 year probationary period. Any felony and/or tax failure, see above.
After the 5 year probationary period, agree to pay an additional 3% yearly in taxes, state and federal, for the remainder of life. For those states that have no income tax, a special 3% will be created for them, attached to their federal return, and then dispensed to the state.
There is no full proof, easy, jingoistic solution. Time we start being practical vs angry so we start thinking clearly.
That would leave very few illegals here. They are nearly all guilty of using a fake or stolen SS number or working for cash evading taxes. Those are felonies!
In short, I disagree with your plan of registering them and then allowing them to stay here under some probationary period.
That's not true. Besides the 800,000 possible over a million family immigration visas, at least 150,000 employment based permanent immigrants are allowed per year, plus 50,000 lottery, etc, plus 3.4 million or many more million temporary work visas, and Mexico is a top country to receive all those visas. Why do we need to issue any of them permanent immigration visas work or family based or even temporary work visas in the first place? We are overfilled. If you're a citizen of Mexico or latin America, stay there and sort out your own problems, don't bring them here.
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