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Old 09-01-2016, 08:23 PM
 
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What's the alternative? 'Round'em and deport'... 11-18 million people? Will never work.
They will self deport with enough incentive. No more taxpayer handouts and that includes schooling. No more licenses and revoke the ones they have. No more anchor babies and if you get caught here you (and your children)are permanently barred from ever attaining citizenship.

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E-verify would be moderately effective at identifying but people will just pay cash.
Severe fine for the employer for first offense, prison time for the second offense. Same thing for housing.
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Old 09-01-2016, 08:25 PM
 
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We have a solution, just not the willpower to enforce current laws.
Now that's the real issue. it's not about how to deport them. It's how to enforce our laws and make it stick. They will deport themselves when this is done.
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Old 09-01-2016, 08:30 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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I can do it without any cost to US. Easy as pie.
As they are really hostile foreign enemy invaders, they can be dispatched for about 16 cents a piece, unless you line them up three or four deep. And then we can bulldoze them into the potholes in our crumbling infrastructure.

Seriously though, Mexico has declared war upon the United States by sending in hordes of enemy invaders who they don't want in their country. If they do not cease and desist in their acts of war upon us, we should turn their sand into glass , and then make it the 51st State.
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Old 09-01-2016, 08:34 PM
 
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That is truthful and not incorrect. However....

What the hell you going to do with 11-18 million? In is impractical and logistically impossible to 'send them back'. What's the plan? Walls and all that jingoistic crap may work moving forward but does nothing to address today's problem.
It is not impractical to send them back. Of course it takes a plan but that doesn't mean in the absence of one we make no decision to do it. It makes no sense to spend treasure to create a plan, put in place mechanisms only to decide not to do it.

There are no signifant barrier to deporting them.

1 Identify and locate them
2 Secure their financial means in trust
3 Limit their ability to travel for no essential reasons
4 Schedule their return trip
5 Send them

There is no hearing, if you are here illegally that is it, you are here illegally. There is no hardship, they are the ones creating the hardship on a country for which they have no rights to reside in.

We have government employees trained in personnel movement, logistics that can plan out and move a multimillion person military force, personnel and materiel plus establishing everything needed to maintain them to another continent across an ocean, they can create the needed plan during a bathroom break.

The cost? We've spent far in excess of what it would take in many other efforts for which we received far less benefits, this will pay for itself.

What to do about the vacancies in the job force here? We have a waiting list of people willing to follow and obey our laws, its their turn.
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Old 09-01-2016, 08:37 PM
 
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And how to move those here?
They have managed to get here, I'm sure they can figure out how to go back.
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Old 09-01-2016, 08:42 PM
 
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That is truthful and not incorrect. However....

What the hell you going to do with 11-18 million? In is impractical and logistically impossible to 'send them back'. What's the plan? Walls and all that jingoistic crap may work moving forward but does nothing to address today's problem.
Are you one of those with kin that are here illegally? I'm guessing Ya. Hell ya.

Sorry, the US isn't the World's ATM or SNAP for anyone that can run, crawl or hide.

E-verify, deportations, raids. It's writes it's own. Ike has already proven that's what works. Make it hard for the parasites to exist and they self deport.
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Old 09-01-2016, 08:44 PM
 
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We've done wonders with 1-5 so far.

1. Identify? Shouldn't e-verify be doing that? How's it working out in those states that implemented
2: financial? They'll be paid in cash
Not when there is some teeth in the law severely fining and/or imprisoning the employers. Same thing for housing.


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3. Limit travel? See 1
4. Schedule? For those located, agreed... But
5. Send? How? Planes, trains, automobiles?

For that plan, we are going to have to create another department just for #5! Lol
Don't need to do any of this.
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Old 09-01-2016, 08:50 PM
 
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I am confident that if elected Trump will come up with an effective and humane way to implement an immigration reform plan.
I am also afraid that if Clinton is elected the immigration problem will get worse, far worse.
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Old 09-01-2016, 08:51 PM
 
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That's a plan.

Agent: 'ok, go back'
Illegal: 'ok'

The point of all this is, no one, here, Washington, etc has a logistical plan to move this many people. Talk to a border agent now with the limited deportations we do do... Half an office is devoted to just transportation.

And it's not like all are Mexican... How do we get the vast numbers to Guatemala, Honduras, etc...

I want them gone to. When I hear a logical, sound, transport methodology, I'll support the round em up mentality. Until then, it's just not practical and we are spinning wheels
Decide first and that gives planners the incentive to create a workable.plan.

Saying we need a plan first just insures we never do anything.

If we as a nation decide to move even 20 million people, we'll figure out how to do it.

Most of them are from Mexico, we have roads going there. We don't need to move them all in one weekend. First things first, send the Mexicans back and then work on the rest.

There aren't vast numbers from Honduras or anywhere else compared to Mexico.

Give them the option of going back rigjt away at their expense, you watch, a lot of them would probanly rather go back on their terms with their own plan instead of their number coming up and finding themselves in Honduras one morning without anything but their clothes.

Anything they accumulated? In return for their use of our country, we'll keep that, thank you. Let them keep any money they made that wasn't needed to send them back or reimburse us for services used.

We take saved money and assets from our own Senior Citizens when they use medical services and have no money to pay. As a country we should be ashamed that we treat our own citizens with less favor than some ****ing illegal immigrant.

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Old 09-01-2016, 08:54 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Leave or get a bullet to the head as you are a foreign hostile invader from a foreign hostile nation. I think they will take option A.
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