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And I agree that legal versus illegal is intend a part of the equation, as I said in my post that you responded to.
I would venture a guess(only a guess) that the driving without a license/tax fraud referneces would possibly be in a % similar to those in the same economic level.
I would guess and like you only a guess that legals have less need to break such laws as driving without a license or tax fraud. Legals can work here legally as well as in all 50 states acquire a drivers license without having to commit fraud to do it.
There is no "we". That's the problem. We politically disintegrated a few decades after the 1965 immigration act. We used to close it to allow assimilation. Now its wide open and there is no we. We are already in a political civil war reminiscent of Habsburg, Soviet empires but at least the fight is a democratic one.
Whose fault is that and whose responsibility is it to fix it if it is to be fixed?
look this is super easy to fix.
first the only one who wants to fix it is Trump so start by voting for him.
then we build a wall, and get a handle on visa overstays.
we deport every illegal that breaks the law as soon as they get out of jail. period.
we grab visa overstays as soon as they go over.
once we get that fixed, we deal with
those that are here, not breaking the law. we don't need to deport them all. maybe some. maybe not. but we deal with it only after the above is done.
The guiding principles are
1. Impact to legal residents/citizens employment
2. No illegal gets citizenship. some might get some form of legal residency but no citizenship.
Third, we align LEGAL immigration with national needs.
there you go again trying to get government to do what isn't necessary. That's your problem. you need to change the way you think.
Where did you get that?!!! I never suggested we wait for government to do anything about it. In fact, several times in other posts in this one thread I've said we must organize and force government to change and stop relying on them.
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PROSPERITY DOES THE JOB FOR YOU.
the US birthrate is NOW at or below replacement...and falling... .without government intervention.
by getting control of illegal immigration (something you seem to think is anathema) allows us to control immigration in a wise an rational way that insures replacement is met... and then we can then control population growth....
"We"??? How? And it appears you like to use words whose definition you don't know at all. And how do you see illegal immigration helping to "control immigration"?
OK educate me. Which historians and political philosophers can you reference to back up your arguments? Or are you just a born genius that can just channel it from the Aether?
I'm a born genius. The key is called "common sense and sound reasoning". Now either debate the issues or expect to be ignored because this is not about personalities.
Not convinced? You say your name is "gwynedd1". What authorities can you reference and link to to prove it? Get my point now?
The above statement by Kode needs to be pointed out.
for all of you that really don't understand what it is that the PROGS and their main ally the democrat party are driving toward, read the above.
Your understanding of dems is as far askew as your politics. The Democratic Party is definitely NOT driving toward socialism or any other plan to eliminate market economy called "capitalism".
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you need to understand that these people believe that GOVERMENT needs to take over the means of production and then determine what is and is not created. They firmly believe that people cannot do right, and therefore must be guided by government.
Absolutely NOT! Go ahead and try to find a place anywhere on this entire forum where I said government should take over the means of production. I'll give you $1000 for every instance you find.
And "people cannot do right" and "must be guided by government"??? REALLY??? Then explain my many statements just in this one thread where I said the problem is that we have allowed government to do what it wants and that we need to organize and force government to do what is right, and that the best kept secret is the fear government has for people.
You seem to be zealous about accusing while also being zealous about not bothering to find out what you're talking about.
Whose fault is that and whose responsibility is it to fix it if it is to be fixed?
It's the responsibility of the sovereign country called the US. It chooses (as it should) to limit the uncontrolled influx of undocumented people coming here. What's unusual about a country wanting to document and control the presence of who lives within its borders? Isn't it the responsibility of EVERY sovereign country on earth?
I honestly don't understand the argument, since it's very basic.
(Disclaimer: I don't support Trump's suggestions that are populist, impractical and unrealistic. And no, Mexico isn't going to pay a penny for building that wall).
Jersygal, what you need to understand is that the term "over population" is a tool for control used by the left.
it isn't about reality. reality doesn't matter at all. what matters is control of the population. period.
Riiiiiiiight.
Why are the OCEANS dying? One third of the oceans consist of dead zones today. Coral is dying and bleaching, the food chain is being damaged and interrupted, human food-fish are in decline. Elephants are at risk of extinction because of people. Clean, potable water is in such decline that the governments are regulating private usage more and more. Why is all this happening, or is it all just lies in your world?
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