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Old 09-06-2016, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Companies are in business to make a profit. It only makes sense to relocate to a more business friendly location. They have to compete in the global market. NAFTA opened that door a mile wide. The fact is though, that we were already loosing manufacturing to the global market. Our clothing industry was already destroyed.

When the corp. I work for looks for a new sight, Ill tell you a couple factors that always come into play.
1. Tax breaks from the local community
2. Infra structure. Can the location support us.
3. People.
I understand that. But I'm more worried about companies moving overseas. What happens when all manufacturing jobs are moved overseas? Who will buy products in the US if people don't have a job because the company moved overseas?

The shift to cheap overseas labor is a rather new phenomenon that started just a few decades ago. It seems to be happening more and more.

Maybe there needs to be a law stating that all companies headquartered in the US have to hire a certain percentage of Americans.
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Old 09-06-2016, 11:52 AM
 
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If pay is by skill only and not the labor involved nor the cost of living, get ready to open up your tax wallet some more to pay for those who work but live in poverty.

As they say, "It all comes out in the wash." And the company CEOs are taking tax payers and employees to the cleaners.
And exactly what are you going to do about all those CEOs - not shop at Ashley's - they won't miss that money. How are you going to deal with the utility CEOs and the Pharmaceutical CEOs?
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Old 09-06-2016, 12:01 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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You mean that someone who works an honest job full time is living outside their means if they need: a roof over their heads, healthcare, food, clothing, and a means of transportation?

$7.25/hr = $15080/year before deductions such as health insurance, FICA
All jobs are "an honest job." All jobs are not worth paying someone $15/hr to do.

In the first place, it was you "liberals" that screwed up the health care system and drove the cost of health insurance way up by shoving ObamaCare down our throats. Many people lost their employer provided health insurance when ObamaCare went into effect.

Secondly, someone making $7.25/hr is probably living at home (or should be), or is married with a working spouse.

Someone who is only capable of earning $7.25/hr should not be trying to support a family on it (should not have a family, unless married with a working spouse).

Minimum wage is a starting position. It is not permanent. Unless one is really stupid, they do not earn minimum wage for very long.

Sick of you 'liberals' and your emotional rhetoric, which is all it is. Appealing to emotions isn't going to get you anywhere.
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Old 09-06-2016, 12:03 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Unless they have a health condition and need, for example, an EpiPen. Then what?
You liberals drove the costs of such things up.
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Old 09-06-2016, 12:05 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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If that someone is a burger flipper, doing a job that requires no real skills or responsibility? I would say that they are well paid.
Not in the mind of a liberal. They should be able to buy a new car, live in a nice apartment or home, raise a family, etc., etc, just like the president of the company.
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Old 09-06-2016, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I understand that. But I'm more worried about companies moving overseas. What happens when all manufacturing jobs are moved overseas? Who will buy products in the US if people don't have a job because the company moved overseas?

The shift to cheap overseas labor is a rather new phenomenon that started just a few decades ago. It seems to be happening more and more.

Maybe there needs to be a law stating that all companies headquartered in the US have to hire a certain percentage of Americans.
Every three years, Deloitte&Touche interview/ survey 500+/- global CEOs relative to trends in specific segments. The most current results for the manufacturing segment concluded the US is poised to reclaim the top spot for manufacturing with China falling to number 2 spot.

This was not based on politics. Rather, investment in industrial robotics.

We are not talking your daddy's factory that employed masses of low skilled workers under collective bargaining agreements.

Technology substitution represents the greatest risk to global workers.
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Old 09-06-2016, 12:12 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Your pay should reflect the level of skill required to perform the job along with the level of responsibility.
Floor sweepers typically make less than machine operators. Machine operators make less than the mechanics. Mechanics make less than the shift supervisors.
Hey want to make more? Learn to do more than be a floor sweeper, a burger flipper or the guy that emities the trash cans.
Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs.
Exactly, and I neglected to mention "responsibility" in my earlier post. Also, another thing that comes into play in the wage/salary debate, which is related to responsibility is if you are in charge of a "profit center," or if you are responsible for a budget. A CEO is responsible for the profitability of a company, which is why they are paid so much. A former boss explained it to me this way one time: How much damage will your poor performance do to the company if you screw up? That's why a good CEO who can lead a company to higher profits and to become a leader in their industry makes millions.

This is lost on 'liberals.'
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Old 09-06-2016, 12:20 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I guarantee you that when the company doesn't pay a decent living wage, tax-payers fill in the rest via Medicaid, food stamps, tax credits, etc.
Sounds like Obamaspeak to me. Or just 'liberalspeak.' That's pure baloney. Perhaps in rare cases.

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Your tax dollars then supplement the exorbitant salaries of the CEOs who ultimately rape the company and then retire with a golden umbrella. Like paying for that?
No, they don't, and CEO's, don't "rape" the company. Salaries are offered (or negotiated) based on ones experience and track record. They are mutually agreed to. It's a contract.

How do you know what's an "exorbitant salary?" Who are you to decide what someone's salary should be?
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Old 09-06-2016, 12:27 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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If pay is by skill only and not the labor involved nor the cost of living, get ready to open up your tax wallet some more to pay for those who work but live in poverty.

As they say, "It all comes out in the wash." And the company CEOs are taking tax payers and employees to the cleaners.
Look, if someone isn't earning enough for their needs, they need to find a job that meets their needs. If they don't have the skills, they need to acquire them. It's that simple. Don't blame the CEO for not paying someone who isn't worth $15/hr a "living wage." What is a "living wage" for one person might not be for someone else.

No, the CEO's are not!

The stupidity of your reasoning is mind boggling.
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Old 09-06-2016, 12:41 PM
 
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Sounds like Obamaspeak to me. Or just 'liberalspeak.' That's pure baloney. Perhaps in rare cases.



No, they don't, and CEO's, don't "rape" the company. Salaries are offered (or negotiated) based on ones experience and track record. They are mutually agreed to. It's a contract.

How do you know what's an "exorbitant salary?" Who are you to decide what someone's salary should be?
You obviously have chosen to overlook the Enron scandal, not to mention the tons of other entities ruined by the top corporate leadership. CEO's do indeed rape the companies they work for, and more often than your assertions allow for. That's old news, why are you speaking like a first year MBA grad? Your rosy picture of American capitalism run amok seems to defy your screen name. To answer your obviously poorly thought out question--The salaries that are taken out of the taxpayers pockets--are exorbitant, and why should the corporatized government decide who will eat and who will get the billions in bailout money that BOTH parties have handed out to their little welfare cases on Wall Street??
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