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Old 09-09-2016, 01:29 AM
 
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This study correlatives with other studies that show that conservatives have a higher tendency to be close minded - so much so that the more facts you cite to refute a conservative's belief, the more likely you just make that person dig in and believe in it even more.


From the Economist: http://www.economist.com/news/briefi...ns-now-lie-and

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In such creation it helps to keep in mind—as Mr Putin surely does—that humans do not naturally seek truth. In fact, as plenty of research shows, they tend to avoid it. People instinctively accept information to which they are exposed and must work actively to resist believing falsehoods; they tend to think that familiar information is true; and they cherry-pick data to support their existing views. At the root of all these biases seems to be what Daniel Kahneman, a Nobel-prizewinning psychologist and author of a bestselling book, “Thinking, Fast and Slow”, calls “cognitive ease”: humans have a tendency to steer clear of facts that would force their brains to work harder.

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This type of personal characteristics to dig in despite overwhelming facts to the contrary, couple with a conservative's tendency to believe in conspiracy, make it easy to manipulate them.


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In addition, conservatives are more likely to engage in "magical thinking" - believing in pure fantasy or generally nonfact based bias.


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All of the above combine to this: a typical conservative is not interested in facts. His/her belief is not based on facts, facts have no effect on making a typical conservative sees the truth, and it only serves to make the conservative dig in the heels. Furthermore, they engage in "magical thinking", basically inventing their own fantasy/fear and base their belief around it.

If you've ever wonder why all the facts you cited are so easily brushed off but the lies stick like glue to certain demographic. This helps to explain why.

So how to do you convince a conservative? If anyone has ever done it, let me know.
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Old 09-09-2016, 01:50 AM
 
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Same thing with Hillary voters, obviously.
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Old 09-09-2016, 04:53 AM
 
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Same thing with Hillary voters, obviously.
Actually that isn't what the study showed. It specifically showed conservatives like are more easily fooled, and evidence only makes them more firmly believe a falsehood.

So for example showing Clinton is healthy is likely to make them more strongly believe she isn't.

That is why I have adopted a different tactic.

I have been actively saying Clinton is so horrendously ill it is amazing she even walks after her double hip and heart lung replacements. That surgery was during the 20 mile flight to Martha's Vineyard
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Old 09-09-2016, 05:28 AM
 
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More easily fooled eh?

Like " If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor."

You know what would really help is if Democrats in power would only stop lying.
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Old 09-09-2016, 05:32 AM
 
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Fact as presented to the American public.

Iraq is our enemy.

Syria is our enemy.

I'm not a conservative but no, no amount of anything will get me to buy that.
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Old 09-09-2016, 05:46 AM
 
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Jonathan Gruber, the Obamacare author wasn't talking about conservatives when he said

"Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” Gruber said. "And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass."

He was talking about the idiot left. The rest of us knew what a joke it was, but the left? Yep, your stupidity was critical lol. And he called you out on it like the good little sheep you are...
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Old 09-09-2016, 06:31 AM
 
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This study correlatives with other studies that show that conservatives have a higher tendency to be close minded - so much so that the more facts you cite to refute a conservative's belief, the more likely you just make that person dig in and believe in it even more.


From the Economist: Yes, I

This type of personal characteristics to dig in despite overwhelming facts to the contrary, couple with a conservative's tendency to believe in conspiracy, make it easy to manipulate them.

In addition, conservatives are more likely to engage in "magical thinking" - believing in pure fantasy or generally nonfact based bias.


All of the above combine to this: a typical conservative is not interested in facts. His/her belief is not based on facts, facts have no effect on making a typical conservative sees the truth, and it only serves to make the conservative dig in the heels. Furthermore, they engage in "magical thinking", basically inventing their own fantasy/fear and base their belief around it.

If you've ever wonder why all the facts you cited are so easily brushed off but the lies stick like glue to certain demographic. This helps to explain why.

So how to do you convince a conservative? If anyone has ever done it, let me know.
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I wonder if there is a way. Countless threads on this forum where outlandish claims are refuted with accurate information from reputable sources and it doesn't change the conversation at all.

One candidate has devoted her adult life to making things better, increasing access to medical care for families, improving the treatment of women... and she is constantly accused of doing all this to line her own pockets.

While the other candidate has spent his life lining his own pockets, often by defrauding others. Yet he is touted as the great white hope.
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Old 09-09-2016, 06:38 AM
 
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I wonder if there is a way. Countless threads on this forum where outlandish claims are refuted with accurate information from reputable sources and it doesn't change the conversation at all.

One candidate has devoted her adult life to making things better, increasing access to medical care for families, improving the treatment of women... and she is constantly accused of doing all this to line her own pockets.

While the other candidate has spent his life lining his own pockets, often by defrauding others. Yet he is touted as the great white hope.
LOL, some of those women that have had a run in with her husband will vehemently disagree with you.
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Old 09-09-2016, 07:04 AM
 
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Talking How do You Convince a Conservative? Apparently NOT with Facts, According to Study

Scientific studies have shown that conservos have a strong bias towards negativity.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journ...F7485616929560
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Old 09-09-2016, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Fact as presented to the American public.

Iraq is our enemy.

Syria is our enemy.

I'm not a conservative but no, no amount of anything will get me to buy that.
Who presented facts that either Iraq or Syria is our enemy? Nobody believes that.

It is their leaders Saddam Hussein and Bashar al-Assad who have been looked upon as enemies of the US (and their own people at times as well). This is why Iraqi and Syrian refugees have been accepted and why the US has supported rebellions against dictatorships.

The US has never liked thug dictators much (until Trump).
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