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Old 09-10-2016, 07:58 PM
 
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The poster stated he/she was responding to you, and you don't want to believe it?!

What is wrong with you?
Because she quoted another post of yours the first one and said basically no matter how the questions were asked, the Judge's way or your way, they were irrelevant no matter how they were phrased. I never argued the phrasing of the questioning, you did.

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Are those of you arguing in defense of the judge seriously this bad at communicating?

"Is there anything you could have done to fight off the alleged attacker? Could you have kept your knees together or positioned yourself differently?"

vs

"Why couldn't you just keep your knees together? Why didn't you just sink your bottom down into the basin so he couldn't penetrate you?"

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Originally Posted by Blondy
Both of those questions and even the concept they are expressing are irrelevant no matter how they are phrased.

No woman is required to fight off an attacker. Every rape(much like every other violent crime) involves the question for the victim of whether or not to fight, attempt flight or submit. The only way this would be relevant is if she had been able to kill him and the issue of self defense was being judged.

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Old 09-10-2016, 08:10 PM
 
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These types of threads always bring out the people who have repressed sexual memories, zero respect for women (because the average woman would want nothing to do with them) or have sexually taken advantage of someone who was too inebriated to consent.
Or anyone with a male relative or friend and don't want them to be falsely prosecuted.
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Old 09-10-2016, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Japan
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Hmmm........sex and rape are not the same thing.......maybe in your world but not the world most of us live in.
They are often exactly the same thing... until the accusing woman makes the distinction, which is why the legal system must question her closely.
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Old 09-10-2016, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Japan
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These types of threads always bring out the people who have repressed sexual memories, zero respect for women (because the average woman would want nothing to do with them) or have sexually taken advantage of someone who was too inebriated to consent.
When you have nothing else, ad hominem.
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Old 09-11-2016, 11:03 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Do you know how often false accusation happens? Not anything scientific, but a poll conducted in a police forum, 9 out of 10 rapes were false - some police officers went years without seeing one true rape.

I don't know what the true number of false accusation is but I think it's great enough to be a real concern.

In this particular case, I would not convict the suspect based on the information provided - it doesn't sound like rape to me.

This case is sketchy, with the information we have to go on. I won't make a call either way, on what we have to go on. As I've said, I wouldn't sit on a rape trial jury. I've seen the aftermath of a real attack, by a real rapist, and that's stuck in my head. Forever. Call it sympathetic PTSD. At any rate, I want to see justice , real justice, for real victims of rapes and even attempted rapes.

I don't disagree about the seriousness of false accusations. It just tears me up to see real victims tarred with that brush.
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Old 09-11-2016, 02:15 PM
 
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This case is sketchy, with the information we have to go on. I won't make a call either way, on what we have to go on. As I've said, I wouldn't sit on a rape trial jury. I've seen the aftermath of a real attack, by a real rapist, and that's stuck in my head. Forever. Call it sympathetic PTSD. At any rate, I want to see justice , real justice, for real victims of rapes and even attempted rapes.

I don't disagree about the seriousness of false accusations. It just tears me up to see real victims tarred with that brush.
It tears me up just the same seeing the life, emotional and physical life of the falsely accused gets ruined while the accuser walks away and lives happily ever after.

Here, a peer reviewed article says 41% of the rape are false. That is a freaking HUGE number!!!

http://sf-criminaldefense.com/wp-con...llegations.pdf

No, we can't, shouldn't and mustn't accept this.
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Old 09-11-2016, 03:40 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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It tears me up just the same seeing the life, emotional and physical life of the falsely accused gets ruined while the accuser walks away and lives happily ever after.

Here, a peer reviewed article says 41% of the rape are false. That is a freaking HUGE number!!!

http://sf-criminaldefense.com/wp-con...llegations.pdf

No, we can't, shouldn't and mustn't accept this.
Even if this is an accurate number, that leaves 59% that are real. Can't accept that either. I know, quite well , how badly false accusations damage people. I also feel the motives behind them are as slimy and vermin ridden as real rapists. The harm they do being a two edged sword, denying justice go those falsely accused, and real victims.

Just because I sympathize with rape victims ,doesn't mean I condone looking the other way at false accusations. Far from it. I suppose so.some who is just making things up wouldn't have as much emotional trauma.from a trial, as a real victim, making it all easier to go through. Yep, not a thought would need spared to the real victims.s that will suffer because of such a thing. Oh, I detest the false crimes as much as you do. Maybe even a little more......
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