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Old 09-16-2016, 09:52 AM
 
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BS.


The state requires you to attend school. You don't have a choice not to go.


The state supplied and mandated education given to large segments of the population was intentionally bad. Again not a choice.


Having children is a product of a biological imperative.
Lots of BS to go around, that's for sure, but at least one aspect of this notion about "choice" depends on when a child is old enough to choose anything related to "inadequate education" and/or poverty...

I have asked more than a few times but no answer, only repetition of the same old "they have a choice" mantra.

Again, according to what substantiates your notions about choosing our life path, when is a child typically mature enough to begin making those choices?

Bonus question: does that maturity come before or after the most formative learning years?
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Old 09-16-2016, 10:02 AM
 
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At my workplace, hard work gets you at best a few cents above minimum wage.
Is it because people like you sit around posting tens of thousands of posts on City Data during work time?
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Old 09-16-2016, 10:35 AM
 
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Some guy with an investment website and radio show says the top 10% - e.g. small business owners as well as investors and the top 1% - pay 70% of the taxes.

Maybe he and his clients and listeners should thank low wage workers for making that possible?

Here's a scenario based on a previous workplace:

Owner has $500K payroll, nets $3M annually, is in top tax bracket, pays ~$1M tax per year. All employees are in 10% tax bracket, slightly above poverty level, and pay negligible taxes. Total tax revenue = $1M.

Now consider a hypothetical pay raise, a $1M payroll, and employer nets $2.5M per year. Employer now pays $800K tax. Employees now pay $100K taxes Total tax revenue = $900K.

Oops, looks like total tax revenues fell when the low-wage workers got a raise.

you are using a static economic model, rather than a dynamic one, which is the problem most people run into when talking about the effect that taxes have on the economy.
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Old 09-16-2016, 10:40 AM
 
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So the objection to the homeless is...what?
No objection. They've been irresponsible. Let them suffer the consequences of their own actions.
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Old 09-16-2016, 10:43 AM
 
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BS.


The state requires you to attend school. You don't have a choice not to go.
Actually, you do. Homeschooling. And homeschooled kids have higher academic achievement scores.

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Having children is a product of a biological imperative.
No, it is not. It's a choice. Plenty of people have no children.
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Old 09-16-2016, 10:55 AM
 
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Actually, you do. Homeschooling. And homeschooled kids have higher academic achievement scores.

No, it is not. It's a choice. Plenty of people have no children.
Kids that are homeschooled do NOT choose this for themselves, their parents do, often for religious reasons. Religion another good example of how we are influenced at a young age before we can intelligently judge what to believe. Also, scores for kids with parents who are involved with their child's education and learning do better as a general rule, whether in public or private schools or homeschooled. One of the sited downsides of homeschooling is lack of socialization. Might this explain your comments and perspective I wonder...
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Old 09-16-2016, 11:12 AM
 
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Kids that are homeschooled do NOT choose this for themselves
Actually, some of them do. I'm older than that, but I would have chosen homeschooling if I had that option. Why? My public schools were a joke. I already knew more than they were teaching before the school year even began, and teachers made NO effort whatsoever to engage me in higher learning opportunities.
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Old 09-16-2016, 12:34 PM
 
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Kids that are homeschooled do NOT choose this for themselves, their parents do, often for religious reasons. Religion another good example of how we are influenced at a young age before we can intelligently judge what to believe. Also, scores for kids with parents who are involved with their child's education and learning do better as a general rule, whether in public or private schools or homeschooled. One of the sited downsides of homeschooling is lack of socialization. Might this explain your comments and perspective I wonder...
" One of the sited downsides of homeschooling is lack of socialization."

Another myth by the ignorant.

I had many home many homed schools kids (none of them were from the same communities and knew each other) who went on the be college grads, all with 4.0 GPA's, work for me and everyone of them HAD as much "socialization" as everybody else.

I know because that is what I thought until I asked them about it and they explained their "lives" activities.

None of them were from the same communities and didn't know each other.
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Old 09-16-2016, 02:40 PM
 
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Is it because people like you sit around posting tens of thousands of posts on City Data during work time?

No because nobody bring a laptop to this workplace.
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Old 09-16-2016, 02:43 PM
 
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No objection. They've been irresponsible. Let them suffer the consequences of their own actions.

A lot of people here have objections to the homeless, about 1,000 people and their stuff were cleared out of parks, trails, etc over the past two weeks.
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