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Old 09-16-2016, 05:38 AM
 
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What about buyers going out looking and creating a market that motivates and creates sellers?
That didn't happen in regards to slavery in the U.S. The Atlantic slave trade was already in place for hundreds of years (began in the 1400s); Africans capturing and selling other Africans into slavery.

 
Old 09-16-2016, 06:02 AM
 
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You sound a bit obsessed with this Black Liberation Theology. Where did it start and by whom? Also seem obsessed with this Rev. Wright.
Black Liberation Theology was founded by James Cone.

Trinity Church's Rev. Jeremiah Wright in 2007:
"The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology."
https://web.archive.org/web/20080905...ing_points.htm

Dr. James H. Cone on Black Liberation Theology:

"all white men are responsible for white oppression"
Black Theology and Black Power - James H. Cone -

"The goal of black theology is the destruction of everything white, so that blacks can be liberated from alien gods."
A Black Theology of Liberation - James H. Cone - Google Books

"The free person in America is the one who does not tolerate whiteness but fights against it, knowing that it is the source of human misery."
A Black Theology of Liberation - James H. Cone - Google Books

"Most whites, some despite involvement in protests, do believe in "freedom in democracy," and they fight to make the ideals of the Constitution an empirical reality for all. It seems that they believe that, if we just work hard enough at it, this country can be what it ought to be. But it never dawns on these do-gooders that what is wrong with America is not its failure to make the Constitution a reality for all, but rather its belief that persons can affirm whiteness and humanity at the same time."
https://books.google.com/books?id=HW...07#v=onepage&q =Most%20whites,%20some%20despite%20involvement&f=f alse

James Cone's CV, listing him as the founder of Black Liberation Theology:
https://utsnyc.edu/academics/faculty/james-h-cone/


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Are you by any chance a white nationalist?
No. I'm from Chicago and know the truth about how very racist Trinity and Wright are.

Wright is still spewing his racist hate as recently as 2012 in a traditionally Black church in Washington, DC:
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"Take that baby, him or her away, from the African mother, away from the African community, away from the African experience ... and put them Africans over at the breasts of Yale, Harvard, University of Chicago ... UCLA or UC-Berkeley," he said. "Turn them into biscuits. Let them get that alien DNA all up inside their brain and they will turn on their own people in defense of the ones who are keeping their own people under oppression. Sheep dogs."

"There's white racist DNA running through the synapses of his or her brain tissue. They will kill their own kind ...defend the enemies of their kind, not anyone who is perceived to be the enemy of the milky white way of life."
Wright: We need control

Obama was steeped in that 'hate Whitey' mentality for 20+ years, and it's exactly where Obama got his 'racist DNA' belief.

Yet, he chose to live, work, get married, and raise children in the most segregated city in the country: Chicago, all the while complaining about the very segregation he chose for himself.

Chicago: America's most segregated city - Jan. 5, 2016
 
Old 09-16-2016, 06:10 AM
 
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Interesting. Since you believe followers of Black Liberation Theology hate white people and you my your response have linked Condoleezza Rice and her remark about America's "Birth Defect" to Black Liberation Theology. Do you also believe Condoleezza Rice hates white people?
She was talking about unequal opportunities, which is actually true. A BIG part of the problem is THIS result of Democrats refusing to allow school vouchers so students and their families cannot CHOOSE better educational options instead of being trapped in their abysmal union-protected public schools:

U.S. public schools educate only 26% of all public school students to even basic grade-level proficiency in math, 38% in reading, by 12th grade.

NAEP - Mathematics and Reading 2013

That in and of itself is bad enough, but pay very careful attention to the much lower basic proficiency percentages for Black students.

Black students' basic math proficiency percentage by 12th grade: 7%
Basic reading proficiency percentage by 12th grade: 16%

Are Blacks inherently much less intelligent than everyone else? I certainly don't think so. Or are Democrats insisting on keeping them trapped in subpar public schools to keep teachers unions happy? Think very carefully about how Dems only care about teachers unions' donations and votes, and don't give a sh*t about Black kids and their future.

That's absolutely wide-spread, institutional oppression.
 
Old 09-16-2016, 06:20 AM
 
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Maybe you can help me understand. What is it with White Supremacists & Churches? September 15, 1963
You'd have to ask them. I'm not one, and I abhor their racism just as much as I abhor James Cones', Reverend Wright's, and Obama's race-based hatred of Whites.

Obama, slamming Whites in 1995:
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"I think that whether you are a white executive living out in the suburbs, who doesn’t want to pay taxes to inner-city children for them to go to school, or you’re an inner-city child who doesn’t want to take responsibility for keeping your street safe and clean, both of those groups have to take some responsibility if we’re going to get beyond the kinds of divisions that we face right now."
http://www.eyeonbooks.com/obama_transcript.pdf

As if Black, Asian, and Hispanic executives don't also live in the suburbs. Furthermore, Obama presents no evidence whatsoever that Black, Asian, and Hispanic executives living in the suburbs would agree to pay double taxes for both their own suburban public school district AND Chicago's public school district (they're different school districts in Illinois).

No, no... Obama just had to blame only 'evil Whitey,' exhibiting more of that race-based hatred he was steeped in at Trinity.
 
Old 09-16-2016, 06:31 AM
 
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Reality check:

Some short clips from President Obama's 'More Perfect Union' speech:


"...Of course, the answer to the slavery question was already embedded within our Constitution - a Constitution that had at is very core the ideal of equal citizenship under the law; a Constitution that promised its people liberty, and justice, and a union that could be and should be perfected over time.

And yet words on a parchment would not be enough to deliver slaves from bondage, or provide men and women of every color and creed their full rights and obligations as citizens of the United States. What would be needed were Americans in successive generations who were willing to do their part - through protests and struggle, on the streets and in the courts, through a civil war and civil disobedience and always at great risk - to narrow that gap between the promise of our ideals and the reality of their time.

This was one of the tasks ...

...That has been my experience at Trinity. Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety - the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity's services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America. ..."

Speech in its entirety here , including more on Reverend Wright:

Obama Speech on Race at the National Constitution Center
 
Old 09-16-2016, 06:37 AM
 
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Only in America? I don't think so ...
Exactly. According to Herbert S. Klein's and Jacob Klein's book The Atlantic Slave Trade, Cambridge University Press, The major Atlantic slave trading nations, in order of volume, were: the Portuguese (they actually began the Atlantic slave trade in the 1400s), the British, the French, the Spanish, and the Dutch. Note that the U.S. never came close to the slave-trading volume of those 5 countries.
 
Old 09-16-2016, 06:41 AM
 
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Reality check:

Some short clips from President Obama's 'More Perfect Union' speech:


"...Of course, the answer to the slavery question was already embedded within our Constitution - a Constitution that had at is very core the ideal of equal citizenship under the law; a Constitution that promised its people liberty, and justice, and a union that could be and should be perfected over time.

And yet words on a parchment would not be enough to deliver slaves from bondage, or provide men and women of every color and creed their full rights and obligations as citizens of the United States. What would be needed were Americans in successive generations who were willing to do their part - through protests and struggle, on the streets and in the courts, through a civil war and civil disobedience and always at great risk - to narrow that gap between the promise of our ideals and the reality of their time.

This was one of the tasks ...

...That has been my experience at Trinity. Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety - the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity's services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America. ..."

Speech in its entirety here , including more on Reverend Wright:

Obama Speech on Race at the National Constitution Center
Nice speech someone else wrote for him.

Meanwhile, we have examples of both Obama's and Wright's anti-White race-based hate speech, decades apart, 1995-2012
 
Old 09-16-2016, 06:41 AM
 
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Are you saying that only black Americans deserve the human rights? And the Africans do not need any human rights? The freed slaves (from America) enslaved the blacks in Liberia.
I am not saying that. I am saying that you only brought that up to deflect from the subject at hand. We are dealing with what happened in the USA. If you want to discuss slavery in Africa, start a thread about that.
 
Old 09-16-2016, 07:33 AM
 
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Exactly. According to Herbert S. Klein's and Jacob Klein's book The Atlantic Slave Trade, Cambridge University Press, The major Atlantic slave trading nations, in order of volume, were: the Portuguese (they actually began the Atlantic slave trade in the 1400s), the British, the French, the Spanish, and the Dutch. Note that the U.S. never came close to the slave-trading volume of those 5 countries.
That's partly because the U.S. didn't exist until 1776 and partly because the pre-U.S. British colonies were only a small fraction of the market. Then the slave trade was outlawed in the U.S. in 1808. The U.S. only had 32 years to import slaves. The other countries had several centuries.

The DeWolf family of Rhode Island brought about 12,000 slaves to the U.S. (but started before it was the U.S), making them the biggest U.S. slave traders. A little less than 400,000 or so slaves were brought to what is now the United States by the other countries you mention during the trading centuries. The other 10 million or so people carted from Africa went to the Caribbean or South America.

Not arguing anything. Just providing information.
 
Old 09-16-2016, 07:47 AM
 
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That's partly because the U.S. didn't exist until 1776 and partly because the pre-U.S. British colonies were only a small fraction of the market. Then the slave trade was outlawed in the U.S. in 1808. The U.S. only had 32 years to import slaves. The other countries had several centuries.

The DeWolf family of Rhode Island brought about 12,000 slaves to the U.S. (but started before it was the U.S), making them the biggest U.S. slave traders. A little less than 400,000 or so slaves were brought to what is now the United States by the other countries you mention during the trading centuries. The other 10 million or so people carted from Africa went to the Caribbean or South America.

Not arguing anything. Just providing information.
Will further note on this comment that the US had an internal slave trading network whereas slaves were transported and sold within the US. Many historical references show that slave owners preferred American born/bred slaves versus those from outside the country due to them being more competent in their work and less likely to rebel against authority figures.

On rebelling, I'll further note that black American slaves rebelled much more often than people may be aware of. Also the act of running away was a rebellion against slavery and of itself.
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