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No, Taratova is correct. They should assimilate. America has always welcomed immigrants, but they have in the past always assimilated, and that is what they wanted to do. Unless one assimilates, one does not become an American. This becomes a problem, because it leads to the "Balkanization" of America, and the creation of enclaves within where only the native language is spoken, native traditions are followed, and at worst, they become "no-go zones" where not only are outsiders not welcome, they dare not go. This is not healthy for America, and is not what made America a great nation.
In the past, immigrants came to this country to become Americans, and become part of American culture. Though an Italian family may eat mostly Italian food and might enjoy some Italian traditions, they wanted to be Americans, and they learned the language and fully assimilated into American society, starting businesses, and becoming part of the American culture. Italian communities were still American communities.
What is taking place here in America today is not that. We are seeing, as in parts of Europe and the U.K., areas where if you are not Muslim, you dare not go (and you aren't welcome) and Sharia is practiced (with all that comes with it, such as honor killings).
Assimilate how? Italians didn't wear any clothing that was considered "traditional". You are talking about food.
What about other cultures, although Americans, continue to wear "cultural clothing"? For example Chinese and Pakistanis? Hasidic Jews dress a particular way, keep Kosher homes, don't eat shellfish or pork/ham based on religious beliefs. They don't mingle outside of their communities. Is anyone telling them to "assimilate"??
I bet all those immigrants who brought their food with them enjoy seeing Americans "assimilate" eating it up. Name any country and I'm sure Americans are eating the food that they brought with them.
For Muslims to "assimilate" they should be told how to dress, what to eat, where to live, etc.? Who are we, as Americans, to dictate to others as to what they can do, when they can do it, where they do it? As long as they work and abide by the law, like people from every other culture/religion, what is the problem?
What happens in other countries is not our concern. Our government, that scared the crap out of Americans with its lies about the ME and the big, bad boogiemen in the ME, is responsible for the chaos that is happening around the world now. What was considered a "peaceful" part of the world run by dictators, enemies with an understanding, were overthrown by the US government with nation building in mind, has done quite the opposite. The US goal was to bring it's mindset to millions of people that didn't want change, no more than Americans want to live under extreme terrorists who have no religion but merely use religion as an excuse. And in the process of nation building we killed nearly 1.5 million innocent people. Changing the minds of millions of people is impossible.
If Muslims in America are not harming our country or non-Muslims, then demanding they "assimilate" while other cultures can keep their beliefs and culture, needs to stop.
So you got two mosque in the middle of nowhere. Obvious, like I said the number of muslim middle easterner in America was very small until after the 1960s. Best you stop trying to create a narrative there was any significant immigration outside of Europe until 1965.
Confirmation that you don't know much about US immigration and naturalization history. But what would anyone expect, when you think middle eastern muslims are just like Italians just with different clothes and food.
If Muslims in America are not harming our country or non-Muslims, then demanding they "assimilate" while other cultures can keep their beliefs and culture, needs to stop.
Dhimmitude. So much Dhimmitude. The US NEEDS to get back to demanding everyone assimilate. Practice the bull**** in private. Stop wearing garbage bags on your head. It's absolutely stupid that these people flee to the west with their backwards beliefs (same beliefs that have left their own homelands a wasteland, necessitating the need to emigrate in the first place) and then expect a different outcome by clinging to those beliefs here.
Repeat: RELIGION IS JUST AN IDEA. RELIGION IS JUST A SET OF BELIEFS. RELIGION IS A POLITICAL BELIEF SYSTEM.
If Muslims behaved as the Amish do wherever they went in the world, it wouldn't be a problem. But they don't. Not when they obtain any appreciable numbers in an area.
And yes, Hassidic Jewish are probably the closest thing to conservative Islamists in the US --- but they aren't a growing demographic anywhere in the world AND they largely stay out of politics or assert the need for accommodation of their religion. There are about 150,000 of them in the ENTIRE COUNTRY.
It's a numbers game, and those who embrace and accommodate horrid and intolerant religion in the name of "diversity" or "liberalism" will someday find themselves a minority in opposition to it... hoping their head is the last to roll.
Being a good liberal doesn't mean you embrace illiberal ideologies.
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If Muslims in America are not harming our country or non-Muslims, then demanding they "assimilate" while other cultures can keep their beliefs and culture, needs to stop.
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Dhimmitude. So much Dhimmitude. The US NEEDS to get back to demanding everyone assimilate. Practice the bull**** in private. Stop wearing garbage bags on your head. It's absolutely stupid that these people flee to the west with their backwards beliefs (same beliefs that have left their own homelands a wasteland, necessitating the need to emigrate in the first place) and then expect a different outcome by clinging to those beliefs here.
Repeat: RELIGION IS JUST AN IDEA. RELIGION IS JUST A SET OF BELIEFS. RELIGION IS A POLITICAL BELIEF SYSTEM.
If Muslims behaved as the Amish do wherever they went in the world, it wouldn't be a problem. But they don't. Not when they obtain any appreciable numbers in an area.
And yes, Hassidic Jewish are probably the closest thing to conservative Islamists in the US --- but they aren't a growing demographic anywhere in the world AND they largely stay out of politics or assert the need for accommodation of their religion. There are about 150,000 of them in the ENTIRE COUNTRY.
It's a numbers game, and those who embrace and accommodate horrid and intolerant religion in the name of "diversity" or "liberalism" will someday find themselves a minority in opposition to it... hoping their head is the last to roll.
Being a good liberal doesn't mean you embrace illiberal ideologies.
Double standards is what keeps America on course ...
Dhimmitude. So much Dhimmitude. The US NEEDS to get back to demanding everyone assimilate. Practice the bull**** in private. Stop wearing garbage bags on your head. It's absolutely stupid that these people flee to the west with their backwards beliefs (same beliefs that have left their own homelands a wasteland, necessitating the need to emigrate in the first place) and then expect a different outcome by clinging to those beliefs here.
Repeat: RELIGION IS JUST AN IDEA. RELIGION IS JUST A SET OF BELIEFS. RELIGION IS A POLITICAL BELIEF SYSTEM.
If Muslims behaved as the Amish do wherever they went in the world, it wouldn't be a problem. But they don't. Not when they obtain any appreciable numbers in an area.
And yes, Hassidic Jewish are probably the closest thing to conservative Islamists in the US --- but they aren't a growing demographic anywhere in the world AND they largely stay out of politics or assert the need for accommodation of their religion. There are about 150,000 of them in the ENTIRE COUNTRY.
It's a numbers game, and those who embrace and accommodate horrid and intolerant religion in the name of "diversity" or "liberalism" will someday find themselves a minority in opposition to it... hoping their head is the last to roll.
Being a good liberal doesn't mean you embrace illiberal ideologies.
The thing about liberalism and equalists is that its all just so simple. We had immigration before , and so we can do it again. There never was a difference in outcome , scale or duration. After all its never been a problem, they say, even though it has. There is no need to look at scale. 14 million Jews and 2 billion Muslims is largely the same. A thimble full or an ocean? Doesn't matter. All things always work out for the best as well. Its now, and here we are. More or less WWII wasn't a tragic mistake because here we are, now. if one out of ten does it, or one out a million does it, every group has someone that does it.
The school of Pangloss is on the top of a hill with warm , calming breezes, and bucolic scenery. The soft music from the minstrels brings the pupils fast asleep to receive instruction from their dreams. It always ends well and will always be the best possible outcome because nothing with so much optimism could possibly fail. The great chain of the Golden Horn shall never be broken, nor the northern light ever cease to flame, in their dreams
A dialect called Jersey Dutch was spoken in northern NJ right up into the early 20th century, a mix of Dutch and English handed down from the early settlers.
And you should see where I work. Most of the people are born here but don't learn English until they are 10 years old or so. The men wear black hats and long black coats. The women must have their elbows and knees covered by their dresses--pants are not allowed--and they wear thick stockings and closed-toed shoes, even in summer. Signs on stores and other businesses are in Hebrew and Yiddish.
Walk four blocks and the signs are in Bengali and the people are dressed in colorful clothing.
On the way home, I pass through a neighborhood where the signs are in Chinese.
Cross the river to Fort Lee, NJ, and and the people speak Korean and the signs on their businesses are in Korean.
But that can't possibly be, Mightyqueen801! Don't you know that every immigrant group up until now has assimilated to American culture immediately?
But that can't possibly be, Mightyqueen801! Don't you know that every immigrant group up until now has assimilated to American culture immediately?
So insightful. No ones knows about the Amish or Hasidic Jews. No one know about the Indian nations..... Everyone thinks everyone just assimilates except , brilliant, well educated liberals.
Did any of these people go on public assistance? Well yes, the native Americans did and they are in the process of total annihilation because of it.
Did any of these people mow down 60 people in a night clubs consistent with their religious ideology of Jihad?
Are their billions of them with a history of constant warfare and conquest?
I don't know, if every Parsi Zoroastrian decided to move to the US , I have a feeling it would just be different somehow.
Confirmation that you don't know much about US immigration and naturalization history. But what would anyone expect, when you think middle eastern muslims are just like Italians just with different clothes and food.
SMH. You poor thing. You seem to have a reading comprehension problem.
Dhimmitude. So much Dhimmitude. The US NEEDS to get back to demanding everyone assimilate. Practice the bull**** in private. Stop wearing garbage bags on your head. It's absolutely stupid that these people flee to the west with their backwards beliefs (same beliefs that have left their own homelands a wasteland, necessitating the need to emigrate in the first place) and then expect a different outcome by clinging to those beliefs here.
Repeat: RELIGION IS JUST AN IDEA. RELIGION IS JUST A SET OF BELIEFS. RELIGION IS A POLITICAL BELIEF SYSTEM.
If Muslims behaved as the Amish do wherever they went in the world, it wouldn't be a problem. But they don't. Not when they obtain any appreciable numbers in an area.
And yes, Hassidic Jewish are probably the closest thing to conservative Islamists in the US --- but they aren't a growing demographic anywhere in the world AND they largely stay out of politics or assert the need for accommodation of their religion. There are about 150,000 of them in the ENTIRE COUNTRY.
It's a numbers game, and those who embrace and accommodate horrid and intolerant religion in the name of "diversity" or "liberalism" will someday find themselves a minority in opposition to it... hoping their head is the last to roll.
Being a good liberal doesn't mean you embrace illiberal ideologies.
Hassidic Jews are a perfect example of a closed culture, most Muslims have assimilated but yet there is this gross generalization and double standard when it comes to Muslims. There are Muslim teachers, athletes, soldiers, policemen that are an integral part of our society yet the gross generalizations because they don't dress as you want. Quite the double standard.
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